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[–]8bitgay 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Sorry for the wall of text incoming.

The title itself already shows how they fetishize us. I don't need to deny attraction to transmen. There's a small amount of cis men I find attractive. If I'm so selective with cis men, there's no chance I'd find a transman attractive.

These people might see us as over sexual beings who can barely stop ourselves from wanting to have sex with everyone. In their eyes, we're here getting horny by transmen all the time and just stop feeling attracted when they take the pants off and we notice their vaginas. And sure, the genital is a huge part of the deal. But I bet that for most of us it doesn't even get to that point. Sorry to break your fantasy but you don't need to tell me your genital for me to feel unattracted.

No one’s saying that you have to sleep with us, just that you examine the lens through which you determine desirability

Please just stop with the gaslighting.

Cisgender gay men in relationships with transgender men are still gay [...] To disagree is to misgender us.

Wait, is attraction based on genders now? We hear all the time that it's based on secondary characteristics. So, are gay men attracted to all people who identify as men, or all people who have "masculine" secondary characteristics? What about non-binary people who call themselves gay?

This is another very frustrating thing, they'll say something and then pretend to forget that other TQ+ people are saying things that contradict what they just said.

Asia is the largest continent in the world, its inhabitants comprising the majority of the world’s population.

This is such a bizarre analogy. Sure, Asia is the largest continent in the world. Japanese are very different from Russian people who are very different from Iranian people who are very different from Indian people... But yeah, this simply isn't the same for trans people. Transmen all have features in common, features that go beyond being born in the same continent.

Essentially, they’ll look at a cute guy, feel that spark of attraction, but if they find out he’s transgender, they’ll exclude him intellectually as someone they “should” be attracted to.

That's what I said above. Nah, sorry, I didn't need to exclude intelectually, I don't feel that spark of attraction to begin with. And even if someone feels that spark of attraction and loses it - so what? Is it an issue if you lose this initial attraction if you find out someone is underage? Or if you find out someone has an unpleasant personality? There are many situations when people won't develop attraction further even if at an initial moment they might think "oh, that person looks nice".

I can say about the opposite, there were times when I didn't feel that spark of attraction initially but it grew over time as I felt attracted to the guy as a whole - including the dick, because I'm gay.

There’s also a difference between being attracted to someone and being willing to date them.

So you're saying that we don't need to date you, we just need to "not deny" when we feel attracted. Cool, but how does this even translate to the real world? The whole text only makes sense if the issue is "you don't date us", but they have to pretend that "nobody is asking you to date us".

A preference implies an openness to multiple options. However, most people who say they “prefer” people with vaginas wouldn’t ever consider dating someone with a penis.

They basically bullied people into saying they have genital preferences and then complain about the term. Sure, preference isn't the right term, that I can agree. They are requirements. So what?

No one’s saying that everyone has to sleep with transgender people (or any other oppressed group) lest they reveal that they’re actually a raging bigot, simply that they should examine the lens through which they determine desirability.

Again, the text has made it clear multiple times this is not the case. Please stop with the gaslighting of telling people to examine their own views, to be open minded. Because if someone examine their own views and reach the conclusion they aren't into trans people, you'll keep telling them to examine their own views until they change their mind.

bisexual, nonbinary, transgender, pseudonymous “man.”

And the writer is nonbinary on top of all. Amazing how the writer "forgot" to include anything about it on his rant.

I wouldn't have considered myself bisexual prior to discovering my attraction to women. I was very much not attracted to women up until that point, and aware of that. My sexuality just shifted.

And the writer even claims that he was a gay man that shifted towards bisexuality. No, he didn't realize he was bisexual, he shifted.

Also, since we're talking about genitals, do these people realize the same could apply to cis straight couples? A woman might find a man attractive and then lose attraction when she realizes he has a small dick. Or if her friend used to date him and tells her that he has a small dick. Yet if a cis man made a long rant about how cis women can't have genital preferences and have to stop losing attraction because of small dicks, everyone would recognize that as very sexist and problematic. If you rewrite these TQ+ rants and make them about cis men and women, it's pretty clear how incel-like they are.

Or maybe even worse than incel-like. As bad as incels are I've never seen incels using this tactic of pressuring people into doing X while saying "nobody is telling you to do X".

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No one’s saying that everyone has to sleep with transgender people (or any other oppressed group) lest they reveal that they’re actually a raging bigot, simply that they should examine the lens through which they determine desirability.

Again, the text has made it clear multiple times this is not the case. Please stop with the gaslighting of telling people to examine their own views, to be open minded. Because if someone examine their own views and reach the conclusion they aren't into trans people, you'll keep telling them to examine their own views until they change their mind.

This is exactly it! Why would they keep bullying/coercing gays and lesbians into "examining their genital preference" or "the lens of desirability", pestering relentlessly, for no reason? We already know they want us to "examine" and come to the conclusion we're attracted to both sexes. And if a gay person has already examined and soul searched, and their answer is still "no" the TRAs shun them, and tell them they just haven't examined hard enough.

[–]Shadow_Lurker 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly it! Why would they keep bullying/coercing gays and lesbians into "examining their genital preference" or "the lens of desirability", pestering relentlessly, for no reason?

Because they need validation and gay man and lesbians for them are props to be used to get said validation.

For people who complain so much about chasers, they really should be a little more self-aware in order to perceive how they are acting exactly like them.

[–]8bitgay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why would they keep bullying/coercing gays and lesbians into "examining their genital preference" or "the lens of desirability", pestering relentlessly, for no reason?

This is the point I was trying to make with "how does this even translate to the real world?".

They keep peer pressuring others and then pretending it's for absolutely no reason, that they won't gain anything from it.

[–]Shadow_Lurker 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And one more TQ+ bissexual man trying to tell gay man who they should or shouldn't be attracted to...

These people really need to fuck off.