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[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Never forget that homosexual desire is universal. It is only sublimated in straights.

Uh... what? You do realize that psychoanalytic theory is bullshit, right? There is no evidence behind this claim. Not everybody has same-sex attraction. Just like not everybody has opposite-sex attraction.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Evidence: ancient Sparta, Sambia, etc. Opposite sex desire and same sex desire are not symmetrical. Opposite sex desire is demanded, same sex desire is prohibited. Opposite sex desire traditionally is grounded in woman slavery and male domination. You don't think that in any way at all impacts peoples' behavior, or perception of themselves, or willingness to explore their sexuality in various directions? They were still executing gays rather recently (oh wait, they still do in some countries). I don't trust any science on the matter that doesn't take those facts on the ground seriously.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 13 insightful - 12 fun13 insightful - 11 fun14 insightful - 12 fun -  (2 children)

So sexuality can be learned?

I am so sad I did not know that before, then I could just learn heterosexuality and have kids with my possible wife.

And conversion therapies weren't just good enough, they should've be improving them, instead of abandoning. Maybe then we could cure homosexuality (or heterosexuality). In heavens - everyone is pansexual.

or willingness to explore their sexuality in various directions?

Transmen! I am, your yaoi prince, is comming to you!

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think it can be learned like language is learned. You cannot choose or change your native language, but you learned it nonetheless, before you even realized you were learning it. Some people can learn a foreign language, but after a certain age, they will always speak it with an accent.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This sounds like what apologets of conversion therapy were saying, almost word to word. If it is learned, then it can be unlearned. And so many inhumane experiments shown that it is not the case. Many homosexual people in homophobic countries would like to "learn straight sexuality, even with an accent", but just can't. It is not how our body works - regardless of how much I will want to have sex with transman or with woman - my body will not answer, I will not be aroused. And same with the rest of homosexual people.

Language is learned by exposure and hearing of words, by repeating and hearing.

If sexuality was learned too, then everyone would be heterosexual, except kids in gay families. But kids in gay families are still often straight, while gays and lesbians are often appearing in straigh families, even in countries where gayness is banned. In USSR, in my childhood, word "homosexual" was nowhere to be found, nowhere shown that man can be with man or woman can be with woman, and yet there still were same amount of homosexual people as there nowadays. So this means it is innate, same as heterosexuality. Only bisexuals can "learn" or "fluid" their sexuality, and even then - not always (majority of bisexuals have heavy leaning towards one sex or another), and there ten times more bisexual people than homosexual people.