Down With LGBTQ!* by John Lauritsen by joogabah in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm highly skeptical that anyone has to show dogs how to do it. They routinely engage in mounting behaviors in a stereotyped way that doesn't at all look voluntary but completely instinctive. They cannot choose not to reproduce and avoid sex for life, the way human beings most certainly can (we are the only species that can). I assert that orientation in humans is learned. Pleasure and arousal are biological, but how that gets oriented is conditioned by early masturbatory fantasies. I assert that since all masturbation involves one's own form, there is a natural tendency for homosexual desire, and that civilization knows this and must fight it and use cultural, institutional enforcement to ensure the reproduction of the species. To the extent that an individual never bothers to fantasize about the opposite sex early in life, that possibility wanes as time goes on. It's like learning a native language. It isn't chosen and it isn't changeable but it is completely learned. Gender nonconformity makes opposite sex attraction less likely to the extent that heterosexuality is constructed in a gendered way. Nonconformity upsets this highly scripted way of relating. This is why liberation from the sexual division of labor and sex role stereotypes is contemporary with an expanding awareness of and acceptance of homosexuality in a potentially egalitarian form.

Finally, I am aware there is a political motivation to insist that homosexuality is unchosen, but I believe this to be a form of self hatred. I never liked it when I would hear people say "why would I choose this"? It is as if one is off the hook morally if they don't choose it. I dislike the implication in this framework that there is something negative or degrading about homosexual desire and that only complete lack of choice can justify it. Gay is good. There is nothing wrong with it and if someone were to choose it blatantly they would in no way be immoral. Straight, to the extent it is based on the subordination and objectification of women and the militarization of men, may be bad. Gay shows the way. That's old school liberation. It shows the way for everyone, not some fringe minority. Same sex desire is universal, even if opposite sex desire is not. In straight people it is just sublimated. Gay shows the way out of the inequality of heterosexuality, and this is why it is politically dangerous and opposed and so closely linked with women's lib. Besides, being born that way doesn't save anyone from the Nazis. There is no political cover in that.

Walt Whitman: "Intense and loving comradeship, the personal and passionate attachment of man to man — which, hard to define, underlies the lessons and ideals of the profound saviours of every land and age, and which seems to promise, when thoroughly developed, cultivated, and recognized in manners and literature, the most substantial hope and safety of the future of these states will then be fully expressed. It is to the development, identification and general prevalence of that fervid comradeship (the adhesive love, at least rivaling the amative love [i.e. heterosexual love; the terms homosexual and heterosexual had not yet been coined] hitherto possessing imaginative literature, if not going beyond it) that I look for the counter-balance and offset of our materialistic and vulgar American democracy and for the spiritualization thereof. Many will say it is a dream and will not follow my inferences: but I confidentially expect a time when there will be seen running through it like a half-hid warp through all the myriad audible and visible worldly interests of America, threads of manly friendship, fond and loving, pure and sweet, strong and life-long, carried to degrees hitherto unknown, not only giving tone to individual character and making it unprecedentedly emotional, muscular, heroic and refined, but having the deepest relation to general politics. I say democracy infers such loving comradeship as its most inevitable twin or counterpart, without which it will be incomplete, in vain and incapable of perpetuating itself. Something more may be added, for while I am about it, I would make a full confession. I also sent out Leaves of Grass to arouse and set flowing in men's and women's hearts, young and old, endless streams of living, pulsating, terrible, irrepressible yearning, surely more or less down underneath in most human souls this never-satisfied appetite for sympathy and this boundless offering of sympathy — this universal democratic companionship, this old, eternal, yet ever- new exchange of adhesiveness, so fitly emblematic of America — I have given in that book undisguisedly, declaredly, the openest expression. Besides, important as they are in my purpose as emotional expressions for humanity, the special meaning of the "Calamus" cluster of Leaves of Grass, (and more or less running through the book and cropping out in Drumstaps), mainly resides in its political significance. In my opinion, it is by a fervent, accepted development of comradeship, the beautiful and sane affection of man for man, latent in all the young fellows, north and south, east and west, — it is by this I say and by what goes directly and indirectly along with it that the United States of the future, I cannot too often repeat, are to be most effectively welded together, intercalated, anneal'd into a living union."

From the Nazis in 1928: "It is not necessary that you and I live, but it is necessary that the German people live. And it can live if it can fight, for life means fighting. [The] German nation... can only fight if it maintains its masculinity. It can only maintain its masculinity if it exercises discipline, especially in matters of love. Free love and deviance are undisciplined. Therefore, we reject you, as we reject anything which hurts our people. Anyone who even thinks of homosexual love is our enemy. We reject anything which emasculates our people and makes them a plaything for our enemies. ... We therefore reject any form of unnatural sexuality, above all homosexuality, because it robs us of our last chance to liberate our people from the chains of slavery under which they now suffer."

Down With LGBTQ!* by John Lauritsen by joogabah in LGBDropTheT

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Ancient Sparta and Sambia come to mind.

If sexuality isn't learned, then why the enormous effort to steer it into heterosexuality? If homosexuality is just a small minority on the fringes, why would it be such a central point of contention? Why do conservatives (who do not believe it is genetic) fear its spread to such a degree?

If sexuality isn't "learned" then why do we have sex ed, and why is it always claimed that gay men learn about sex via pornography? (Animals have sex on instinct without any instruction or mimicking necessary, and they cannot help but respond to the appropriate cues - they cannot choose not to reproduce the way people can). Human sexuality is vastly more complex and varied and stylized (with fashions and trends like other human activity).

If it isn't learned, how can this be possible:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040609102548/http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_957945.html "Childless couple told to try sex A German couple who went to a fertility clinic after eight years of marriage have found out why they are still childless - they weren't having sex. The University Clinic of Lubek said they had never heard of a case like it after examining the couple who went to see them last month for fertility tests. Doctors subjected them to a series of examinations and found they were both apparently fertile, and should have had no trouble conceiving. A clinic spokesman said: "When we asked them how often they had had sex, they looked blank, and said: "What do you mean?". "We are not talking retarded people here, but a couple who were brought up in a religious environment who were simply unaware, after eight years of marriage, of the physical requirements necessary to procreate." The 30-year-old wife and her 36-year-old husband are now being given sex therapy lessons while the university clinic undertakes a study to try to find out if there are more couples with a similar lack of sex education."

Down With LGBTQ!* by John Lauritsen by joogabah in LGBDropTheT

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I'm incapable of sexual attraction to women too. But his argument as a general trend is true. Most men have varying degrees of bisexuality or at least some experience with the opposite sex. I personally believe it to be this way because in humans, sexuality is learned (the way a native language is learned - not chosen, and not changeable later), and one cannot be alienated from one's own form the way one can be from that of the opposite sex. All men have a homoerotic component to their sexuality because they are male themselves. Not all men have a heteroerotic component tho (but they are a minority). I think this may be something all males go through in childhood and adolescence (an emergent opposite sex attraction based on a foundational same sex attraction). And acquiring an attraction to females doesn't negate an attraction to males. This is heresy to the "born that way" genetic bio-gay crowd, but it can't be genetic because there are entire civilizations that celebrate and institutionalize homosexuality as the highest form of love. There are economic determinants that made homosexuality criminal during industrialization. It's all about not upsetting an organization of roles for profitable production and reproduction of human labor power. Straight people are straight because society will ostracize and punish you for heresy and disobedience.

Have you seen the "nullification surgery" offered by alignsurgical.com? by joogabah in LGBDropTheT

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I'm male and I can't orgasm from that (or direct prostate massage). For me, the primary erogenous zone is the remnant of the foreskin that was ripped off me as a baby without my "consent" (like anyone in their right mind would consent to desensitization). Being male and never having anything close to orgasmic sensation accumulating from my butt or perineum, I am skeptical of such claims. And I'm not the only one. There's an entire website devoted to it from an older gay lib activist: http://man2manalliance.org/crw/frot/dictator.html

THIS is what asexual looks like... by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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They are the pseudo left and actually share a belief in sex role stereotypes going back to the 50s. The real leftists are those radical feminists they demonize as "TERFs".

The Ongoing Death of Free Speech: Prominent ACLU Lawyer Cheers Suppression of a New Book by joogabah in LGBDropTheT

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I think the point is to defend speech even when you don't like it. That's the only way free speech exists. Any attempt at judgment over what sort of speech is legitimate or acceptable immediately negates freedom of speech and curtails the ability to think. Humans are not equipped to make such judgments without bias and emotion, so free speech absolutism is what guarantees our ability to be free to think what we want, and not end up in a tyranny of thought police. No one ever bans inoffensive speech, so the purpose of freedom of speech is to stop those who find anything offensive from shutting it down. Historically this has been championed as a central freedom of America and one of the reasons we put up with no social safety net (which is another topic and makes no sense to me), but recent generations seem to have forgotten.

Seattle Seahawks announcer Dori Monson suspended over tweet by pacmanla in LGBDropTheT

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Not that "fully transitioning" changes their sex one iota. I would actually prefer people not to mutilate their bodies. I bristle at the argument that somehow having surgery makes them more acceptable as the opposite sex.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I think it can be learned like language is learned. You cannot choose or change your native language, but you learned it nonetheless, before you even realized you were learning it. Some people can learn a foreign language, but after a certain age, they will always speak it with an accent.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Every man, straight or gay, strokes a dick, every day. One cannot be alienated from one's own form and there are examples of universal participation in same sex activities in some societies. It cannot be genetic.

The analysis of opposite sex desire is straight out of radical feminism. Read Sheila Jeffreys.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I can share whatever I want. Why are you trying to shut down ideas? They aren't mine. They come straight from radical feminism. There is more out there than contemporary gay dogma.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I'm articulating arguments from gay liberationists that apparently you've never read. I'm not on meds and apparently you don't read books. Check out The Spiral Path, a Gay Contribution to Human Survival. Don't judge gay liberation by contemporary viewpoints. This debate has been going on since the late 19th century and has an enormous history.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I'm articulating arguments from gay liberationists that apparently you've never read. I'm not on meds and apparently you don't read books. Check out The Spiral Path, a Gay Contribution to Human Survival. Don't judge gay liberation by contemporary viewpoints. This debate has been going on since the late 19th century and has an enormous history.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I'm articulating arguments from gay liberationists that apparently you've never read. I'm not on meds and apparently you don't read books.

Check out The Spiral Path, a Gay Contribution to Human Survival.

Don't judge gay liberation by contemporary viewpoints. This debate has been going on since the late 19th century and has an enormous history.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Everything is similar and dissimilar to everything else. Just don't think in black and white. It is nuanced. I am not arguing like TRAs at all.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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It just demonstrates that it is not genetic, regardless of the environment that produced it. So many people rely on genetic arguments, which I find groveling. They say things like "I would never choose this". Well, same sex love is beautiful and good and I would choose it.

How to support LGB youth who have gender dysphoria by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Queer is basically the n word for homosexuals. Older gay men are deeply offended by it.

How to support LGB youth who have gender dysphoria by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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No way. I don't want to take on a label that means "weirdo", and the Q is already firmly attached to the T.

Masculinity is the world trying to make soldiers out of boys. Femininity is the world trying to make mothers and submissive wives out of girls. They are not innate, and so there are myriad exceptions, standouts and outliers. Rather than making these people feel bad about themselves, acknowledge that they are actually part of an emerging EMANCIPATION from being merely cannon fodder and subordinated baby makers! War and overpopulation have grown to the extent that they are no longer socially necessary, they have negated entirely to the point they threaten all life on the planet! And this is apparently having unconscious impacts on human sexuality and social relating. And idiots are coming up with ignorant theories based on unexamined conventional assumptions of what it means to be a man or a woman. Add a hefty dose of academic postmodernism which questions objectivity itself, and you get institutional legitimization of something absurd and deeply reactionary.

Girl wonders why gay men don't see her as a man 🙄 by artetolife in LGBDropTheT

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Same sex desire is universal; opposite sex desire is not. This is simply a function of being one's own sex. It is not possible to be alienated from or unfamiliar with one's own form. Straight guys can have strong emotional attachments with guys, and same sex nudity (and even things like circle jerks) were until recently extremely common and not considered "gay" (being effeminate or being fucked up the *ss were - anything making you take a feminine role, to such an extent that "gay" is often synonymous with "womanly"). I've had two "straight" best friends cut me off for years in my 20s because they could not stomach any sexual attraction on my part, only to come back in my life in my 40s and permit some mild sex play, admitting the feelings were mutual back in the day. Straight people are straight because society demands it on pain of severe ostracism and worse. They were still executing homosexuals in Britain in the 19th century. No analysis of sexual orientation is complete without acknowledging this massive determinant.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Yeah, that's a caricature or maybe what some stupid teen activist spews. There is some serious theoretical work tho that isn't so crude and off putting. Also, I think you're confusing radical feminism with 3rd wave liberal feminism.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Ancient Sparta and Sambia. If it exists anywhere universally, it can't be genetic.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Evidence: ancient Sparta, Sambia, etc. Opposite sex desire and same sex desire are not symmetrical. Opposite sex desire is demanded, same sex desire is prohibited. Opposite sex desire traditionally is grounded in woman slavery and male domination. You don't think that in any way at all impacts peoples' behavior, or perception of themselves, or willingness to explore their sexuality in various directions? They were still executing gays rather recently (oh wait, they still do in some countries). I don't trust any science on the matter that doesn't take those facts on the ground seriously.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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And I want no part of any groveling to straights. Your take implies there is something wrong with same sex desire. There is nothing wrong with it and there are entire societies where it is practiced universally. It cannot be genetic. Straight people are straight primarily because most cultures demand it.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Says who? There are people who come to realize late in life that they have a capacity for some sex desire.

What would be wrong if it did spread? Your reasoning comes from a place of groveling ("don't worry, you can't get it!"). Same sex desire is not a plague. It's normal. The fact that there are societies where it exists universally disproves any genetic determinism.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Homophobia is not fear of a particular person or people tho. It is fear of same sex love because straight people are policed out of it and must sublimate it. The goal of gay liberation is to liberate this form of love for all humanity to be able to access without shame if they want to.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I'm surprised to read you dislike radical feminism (2nd wave feminism). Like Sheila Jeffreys and David Fernbach? I wouldn't be able to understand why sexual orientation is policed without their contributions.

The support for LGBT is dropping for the first time in ages thanks to TRA's and nonbinaries. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Never forget that homosexual desire is universal. It is only sublimated in straights. The goal of gay liberation should be desublimation. That happens by ennobling same sex love. There is the question of why gay people aren't attracted to the opposite sex, but I think that has to do with an incompatibility with the hetero script - for myriad reasons. It's easy to see this with lesbians, who are very often confident strong women who do not want to be dominated by a male. There are likely many routes to exclusive same sex desire, but there are also salient trends, and gender nonconformity tends to be a major one, which is why trans ideology is mixed up with us in the first place, even though they are something different entirely. There is a difference between rejecting aspects of one's sex's stereotypes, and trying to ape the other's.

My unpopular opinion - Gender and biological sex mean the SAME thing by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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You have it completely backwards. It is the conflation of sex and gender that Trans ideology espouses.

Hey, sorry if this doesn't belong here, but can someone explain to me what 'queer' is supposed to be? Why is it a letter in the alphabet club? by Smolders1 in LGBDropTheT

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I find it rich that I can't yell "foul" when someone uses the word "queer" but misgendering is in some places against the law. If it is all about their feelings, then what about my feelings? Because it isn't about their feelings. I find it hard to believe that anyone actually suffers any psychological harm from being called the wrong pronouns. The rhetoric is sophistry with a hidden agenda. That's why it doesn't make sense to anyone who actually parses what is being said. It appeals to unthinking, feeling types who think they are protecting the vulnerable, when they are actually being marshaled to destroy gay liberation.

Are the TQs right or wrong in saying that the brains of gay people are structured like the brains of their opposite sex by which they mean gay men are psychologically women and gay women are psychologically men? by EverydayIsSad in LGBDropTheT

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As if they can conclude anything by measuring the size of certain structures in the brain. Our knowledge of the brain is far too rudimentary to make that type of leap. I remember reading criticism of Simon Levay's work which argues something like this. For gay brains they used samples from HIV positive men, or something to this effect. My point is even the selection of who is gay and who is straight is problematic. If they are selecting based on gender stereotypes, who is to say that a lifetime of repeating those specific stereotyped behaviors are the cause and the brain structures the effect, and not the other way around? Neuroplasticity.

Why are some gays so brainwashed into dating/sex with trans people? by Eurowoman24 in LGBDropTheT

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At least "gay" originally meant a bachelor and was also a synonym for happy, instead of that slur "queer" that was used to terrorize men to go to Vietnam. I hate the word "queer". Might as well say "perv" or "weirdo". Weirdo pride!

Also, I believe absent gender indoctrination, same sex desire is accessible to anyone; it is not a genetic condition. That doesn't mean everyone will develop a taste for it but the most glaring, primary reason it is avoided is because nations universally condemn it (even the ones that accept it now).

Weird feeling about marriage equality by Lesbianese in LGBDropTheT

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The Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality and cannot because the word wasn't invented until the 1890s in English and originated in the 1860s in German. The Bible says nothing about lesbians. It condemns adultery (sex outside of marriage) and "men who lie with men as men lie with women", which can be interpreted to mean penetration. To put it clearly and without euphemism, it condemns anal sex. Given the severe biological consequences inherent in that act, the prohibition is understandable. Even if you think it can be made safe (I don't; and there are other reasons for opposing it - like pain and incontinence and feces revulsion), they didn't have condoms and lube back then. The Bible forbids sex during menstruation as unclean. These are specific prohibitions on acts, with no concept of "gay" or "lesbian" orientation, which is a modern innovation that doesn't even go back to the 19th century.

The stories of Ruth and Naomi and Jonathan and David clearly show passionate same sex love is not biblically problematic.

However, marriage is woman slavery. We get a reformed, sanitized version today, but wives used to be the literal property of their husbands. This is not an institution to aspire to.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think you're listening to what I'm saying. I think you're defending your ideology, which is motivated by anti-leftism. The nature of humans is to be programmable. We are not ruled by instinct like animals. Usually right wingers argue for free will. I'm surprised you seem to argue for genetic determinism in human behavior.

My unpopular opinion - Gender and biological sex mean the SAME thing by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is socially constructed masculinity and femininity. Sex is what type of gamete you produce. I don't know how to make this any clearer, and I fail to see why you are opposed to words that differentiate these two points. In your world, how do you even describe a masculine female or a feminine male? This distinction is crucial.

VIDEO: Exposing The Reality of Transgender Science & Trans Activism | Debra Soh by GayNotQueer in LGBDropTheT

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Hard to get the facts straight when people can't get the vocabulary straight.

Slave owner by [deleted] in politics

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Sorry, not an anti-communist, tho I'm not drawn to Stalinism, China bashing from no where is just reactionary American rhetoric. The empire is dying, sorry.

Mandatory Gender Ideology training in WA Public Schools (lgb stuff start around 9:00) by xandit in LGBDropTheT

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There is a fascinating explanation of this idea that is no longer available but still in the internet archive. It asserts that our massive leap in intelligence is due not only to a larger neocortex but a repurposing of neuronal groups. This requires an understanding of the mutual exclusivity of instinct and intelligence (instinct being involuntary, genetic behaviors that execute when the appropriate stimuli is in play). The advantage of being human that no other animal has achieved (except perhaps at the most rudimentary level) is the ability to program behavior via learning and language. We are the only species with linguistic consciousness and it absolutely impacts our behavior and desires. Looking to animals for insights into human beings is rather stupid if this obvious and most salient fact about people is ignored.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100425013758/http://www.humansexualevolution.com/

lesbians and feminists on drag queens by joogabah in LGBDropTheT

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From 1977, at the end of this clip, the transsexual shouts: "gay liberation: screw you!"

what are your thoughts on the t? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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T is for Trojan horse. It is a rollback of women's and gay liberation. It is deeply reactionary and aligned with heterosexuality and the patriarchy. It's "woman face". While anyone should be able to dress or act however they like as long as they aren't hurting anyone, saying it makes them a woman is just false on the face of it, and if they are parodying women it is insulting (like blackface). There is a nuanced case for drag queens that are parodying femininity, which is an unfreedom foisted upon women and criticized by feminists (a kind of progressive mockery of gender - this is how Ru Paul describes it. He doesn't consider himself a woman).

Sex reassignment surgery, a brutality in the same class as lobotomy, was invented by straight doctors and is pure quackery. It is sterilization and genital mutilation for gay people. It is a form of conversion therapy. When people question whether or not one should have to be an adult to opt for it, I think to myself, "should one have to be an adult in order to opt to have their eyeballs scooped out?". That doctors do this to people is shameful. No one should opine on this topic until after they have watched the procedure on YouTube.

The T is the greatest threat to gay and lesbian liberation since the movement began. If it succeeds it erases gays and lesbians. But if it provokes a backlash and fails, it will be perceived as a reaction against the "LGBT" movement, and sweep away freedom and rights for gays and lesbians along with them.

What this demonstrates is that theory is important. Big tent, love everyone politics must not be allowed to ride roughshod over theory - and the most advanced explanation of what gay and lesbian liberation are came from the radical feminists. David Fernbach's "The Spiral Path: A Gay Contribution to Human Survival" is in my opinion the best theoretical elucidation from a gay male perspective.

Radical feminists saw this coming as far back as the 70s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfoYUs4Q3a4

At the end of the clip above, a transsexual (what it was called back then) shouts "gay liberation: screw you!".

Trump administration to attack LGBT rights at UN by BEB in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Marriage is woman slavery, not a right. People don’t read.

Trump administration to attack LGBT rights at UN by BEB in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why should conversion therapy be banned if people want to be straight? I’m pretty militantly gay but I also believe in human freedom. If I decide I want to be straight for any reason and I pay people to facilitate that, then why should it be banned? When did things change from leaving people alone and expanding human rights to demanding others think as commanded?

I find it rich that you are not permitted to attempt a conversion to heterosexuality but they will encourage you to cut your dick off. I’d rather have a wife, thanks.

Mandatory Gender Ideology training in WA Public Schools (lgb stuff start around 9:00) by xandit in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate some of what he says but this is all over the place. There is something about male biology that drives them towards females and is incredibly powerful? Then why have I never felt it? I thought that’s why we have the word “gay”?

I reject the notion of any inherent genetic sexual orientation in humans. I claim for humans alone, sexual desire is leaned, but like learning one’s native language, it is not chosen and cannot be unlearned, and that absent cultural imposition, any human being could potentially go in any direction, but may find that impossible after a certain age. And gender is political. It is masculine over feminine. So a dissatisfaction with gender hierarchy can contribute to an inability to participate in it and heterosexuality is scripted with gender hierarchy.

This makes me want to become straight. by artetolife in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lierre Keith (radical feminist outspoken against trans ideology) also wrote The Vegetarian Myth. A Vegan for 20 years, she is now ketogenic, after claiming veganism ruined her health.

Stonewall UK gets more and more... interesting by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was always a contradiction in Affirmative Action, trying to fight racism by reifying race and employing racial preferences. Identity politics is a dead end. The real issue is class, not race, even though racism most definitely oppresses minorities. The identity politics solution is unconsciously also racist (understandable, since it is a solution born in a racist society). There has to be a better way to end racism without these predictable consequences that inflame and support it.

Insanity! - Gay man is surrounded by police because he hurt trans feelings! by Rosefield in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because it is astroturf from above, not an authentic movement from below. It is an anti-gay, anti-woman, reactionary Trojan horse, funded by billionaires and corporations. Actual trans people did not invent the concept of gender dysphoria or the cosmetic surgery and genital mutilation inflicted on them. They are the primary victims of trans ideology.

Slave owner by [deleted] in politics

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought slavery was only 155 years ago.

Dictionary.com did an update on their website, and now the meaning of homosexuality is changed to something "Often Disparaging and Offensive" by cutenoobies in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

we are faggots. faggot pride! pervert pride?

My unpopular opinion - Gender and biological sex mean the SAME thing by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

masculinity and femininity are gender. male and female are sex. without the separate definitions, "gender nonconforming" is meaningless. we need a term that refers to masculinity and femininity. gender is that term. unfortunately it has a simultaneous definition that is synonymous with sex which causes ambiguity.

there are languages with gendered nouns. this has nothing at all to do with sex. in French, a door is feminine (la porte, not le port). it is not female.

The difference between homosexuality and transgenderism by TarshishJupiter in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know. I think "straight" just means "compliant". It is broader than sexuality. The opposite of straight isn't gay, but "crooked" or "bent" or "crook". People "go straight" after being reformed from a life of crime. It just means "conventional". So if someone manages to simply REFRAIN from indulging their homosexual desire, I think that is adequate to be considered "straight". Like Freud I think same sex desire is universal (but not opposite sex desire for reasons having to do with childhood sex segregation and being one's own sex, which makes to two orientations asymmetrical; e.g. one can never be weirded out by unfamiliar genitalia on the body of the same sex the way they can be on the body of the opposite sex). Straight people just sublimate their same sex desire (often by preferring the same sex in every context but sex itself). In fact, that might be a pillar for organizing conventional patriarchal society. It is designed by men for men who seem to be in love with manhood and use "woman" and "girl" as insults.

I think the major difference between gay (which is political) and trans is that gay liberation says you are just fine as you are, and trans ideology says your body is wrong and you are not compliant with gender expectations so you must have cosmetic surgery to make you look closer the other sex for the benefit of the people around you. It is a macabre sort of totalitarian, surgically imposed straightness that preserves a reactionary gender hierarchy that demands males be masculine (for militarism) and females be feminine (for motherhood and submission to males).

Gay liberation is partly responsible for the problem by insisting a gay orientation is a minority biological condition (which is very close to the trans argument) instead of fighting for the end of the demonization of same sex love for everybody. Same sex love and desire has a universal potential and the reason it is demonized is because it interferes with current ways of organizing society. It can disrupt wage rates. When women stay at home and men receive a family wage, 2 men working with no dependents can create a downward pressure on wages which tend to pay just enough for a household to reproduce itself. I don't think it coincidental that gay liberation coincides with a shift to two income households for heterosexuals, and the end of conscription in America (which means they don't require militarized boys (masculinity)).

“Gender Is Not a Social Construct” -- Debra Soh, Interviewee. by GayNotQueer in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What? Why is she conflating gender with sex? Does she think people are biologically masculine and feminine? Gender is the unfreedom of cultural roles forced on people based on their sex. Why is there so much confusion about the difference?

VIDEO: Exposing The Reality of Transgender Science & Trans Activism | Debra Soh by GayNotQueer in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What does she mean by "biological sex and gender"? I like a lot of what she is saying, but she seems to conflate the two. Is she saying people are biologically masculine or feminine, or is she using "gender" as a synonym for "sex"?

Thoughts on Drag Race? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does it normalize performative femininity or poke fun at it? Drag could be gender subversive by making it a joke. Trans cannot tho.

Thoughts on Drag Race? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He refuses to not use the word "tranny".

Punch gay men if they reject you by artetolife in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 26 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It's not the Left. It's just stupidity.

MADtv skit about male lesbians is now a reality. by turtleduck23 in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe they could tell which way the winds were blowing and used comedy to sneak in a political point. Radical feminists have been warning about trans ideology since the 70s.

MADtv skit about male lesbians is now a reality. by turtleduck23 in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of styles and fashions seemed to have frozen in the 90s (compared to the pace of change in preceding decades).

Vanity Fair had an article about it awhile back: https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2012/01/prisoners-of-style-201201

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Marxists are not opponents of capitalism. They are awed by it. But they see it as a transitional state, one that at a certain point becomes overwhelmed by its own contradictions. To be blind to the trajectory of capitalism is just as erroneous as to be blind to its accomplishments. Marx compared it to a tie on a sapling that helps its growth early on but distorts it if left for too long. Capitalism is not evil. It is antiquated. The evidence is that private property, divided into competing national states, threatens to end all life on the planet, via nuclear war, climate change and overpopulation. Exponential growth has limits. Capitalist thinking tends to ignore "dialectics" or the idea that change is fundamental to our reality. Everything is born, grows and then dies. Quantitative changes eventually turn into qualitative changes that can negate the earlier condition. The same is true of capitalist markets and private property. They are human innovations, appropriate to their time, not eternal unchanging truths.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's like you can't even see the world around you. I guess you are right. We're just naked apes. I can barely tell the difference in how we live compared to chimpanzees. They have memories from thousands of years ago too!

The ideas are not dumb. They just contradict your present worldview. And your anger betrays the fact that you found them somewhat persuasive and a challenge to that worldview. Humans are vastly different from other species in a qualitative way. We are the only animal with a linguistic consciousness that predates our own physical lives. I don't know why you want to ignore language and just dismiss it like it is equivalent to the squawks and grunts and groans of the beasts that don't even approach our level of consciousness. Why the blind spot? You tell me.

Human nature is variable and programmable. Humanity produces altruists and serial killers. We all see the world through the constructs that are spoken into us. Language is the source of ideology. Humans are the only species that can live practically anywhere on the surface of the Earth by changing their environment instead of being subject to their habitat. Humans are the only species that have ever chosen to and accomplished leaving the planet. You and I don't even know each other, but we are using human technology as a sort of anonymous telepathy, to exchange ideas (via language). That's just like all the other animals?

New Saidit Feature: Now you can block individual users, so all their posts and comments will be automatically hidden from your view by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand why it wasn't always designed this way. It's a great compromise. Hide the content but don't block it, so that sensitive users can blame themselves for peeking if they are offended by it.

New Saidit Feature: Now you can block individual users, so all their posts and comments will be automatically hidden from your view by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Zionism is Jewish nationalism, the cardinal feature of fascist ideologies.

New Saidit Feature: Now you can block individual users, so all their posts and comments will be automatically hidden from your view by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The irony is that Palestinians may be descendants of Jews who were alive in the region during Christ's time, who later converted to Islam.

Have you read Dr. Judy Wood? There are a lot of anomalies surrounding 9/11 that can't be explained by either of the competing theories (the nonsense official theory, or the conventional controlled demolition theory).

New Saidit Feature: Now you can block individual users, so all their posts and comments will be automatically hidden from your view by magnora7 in SaidIt

[–]joogabah 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Freedom of speech means the freedom to offend. Inoffensive speech is (by definition) never subject to bans. There's only 2 options - either free speech is inviolable, or you set up speech policing regimes that end up biting you. This is elementary and has been known for generations. Honesty, I don't want to live in a world where racists aren't allowed to speak their racism. How is anyone supposed to talk back to them or give reasons why they are wrong so that, even if you don't change their minds, you may be inoculating young minds who come across the arguments. When you shut it all down, you make it sexier to people just starting to be curious about the world. They'll want to know why they are not allowed to access the ideas. So just let the idiots speak for themselves. Very often they discredit themselves with their own words. Shutting down speech gives it an aura of legitimacy because it implies there is no effective counter speech. We've already experienced that on Reddit. They don't have a good counter argument so LGBDropTheT was silenced.

Censorship Thursday - share your sub bans here! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I saw the stickied post but I didn't see how it related to what was being said or how it violated the rules. And I messaged you directly but you didn't respond. Can you clarify?

Censorship Thursday - share your sub bans here! by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, the moderators of this sub stopped a conversation yesterday for no good reason.

TRA Twitter poll "Are Transwomen women?" - majority of voters clicked No by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Radical feminism asserts that females are objectified for their ability to produce new human beings. The men's rights movement asserts that men are objectified for their ability to fight wars and sacrifice themselves in the most dangerous jobs (and provide for families). Communism asserts that workers are objectified in order to create wealth for an elite class of rulers that is so wealthy, it can "earn" money based on passive income (profit, interest and rent (i.e. financialization)) and hire managers so that affluent capitalists don't even have to be aware of what enterprises they own. I do not see these facts negated worldwide. I see us in transition away from this, but still in a very early stage. True human freedom will only exist when individuals can do and be whatever they aspire to be, without being forced into roles. This has not been achieved worldwide. As a corollary, war cannot go away (and it threatens all life on the planet) until nation states are ended, and we regard ourselves as one planetary people. This relates to homosexuality to the extent that sexual discipline and heterosexuality are part and parcel of these enforced roles. In a world of true freedom, homosexuality and heterosexuality will be meaningless, as one is enforced, and the other is a rebellion or rejection of the other, even if it is not consciously chosen.

TRA Twitter poll "Are Transwomen women?" - majority of voters clicked No by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Objectification is when a person is seen and used as a means to an end, and forced into that role, because of some socially useful aspect of their body. It isn't a matter of good or bad. It is a matter of freedom and necessity. Since human civilization and the advent of organized war (but not in earlier hunter gatherer times), soldiers and mothers are absolutely necessary for the continuation of human societies. Slaves are also objectified for their ability to labor. Typically the descendants of conquered peoples, they are not seen as individuals or equals, but as a means to an end for the ruling classes to exploit.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you even read the Communist Manifesto, or are you only versed in anti-communist arguments?

TRA Twitter poll "Are Transwomen women?" - majority of voters clicked No by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is undeniable that men are used after the advent of civilization as soldiers and women as mothers. This is the economic source of their objectification, and only in our time is the economic necessity of these two roles negated (overpopulation and total war means total annihilation), and hence the possibility of transcending them.

First case in Italy of parents of a 13 years old boy asking for a gender change. It begun..... by Ossidiana in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not bisexual and I don't think people can choose their sexual orientation. But there are documented societies where same sex sexuality is universal, and yes, in Sparta, homosexuality was pretty much universal. It was institutionalized. Same with Sambia. What this means is that sexuality is unconsciously learned so early that people don't realize they are learning it. This is why I compare it to one's native language. You don't get to choose that either, but you learned it, and it isn't biological. I think all societies are tilted homosexual by virtue of childhood sex segregation and gendering. I think heterosexuals sublimate their same sex attraction and as adolescents cultivate an opposite sex attraction that is so problematic you find things like widespread misogyny. All men actually seem to prefer men. Wilhelm Reich touches on this, but people just dismiss him as homophobic. What he actually said is that in indigenous societies where adolescents are allowed to explore each other sexually as they sexually mature, there is no homosexuality AND there is no homosexual taboo (in other words, it is incidental and unremarkable if it happens). The two go together. Homosexual oppression is a necessary consequence of gendering (achieved via childhood sex segregation and delayed sexual experimentation) and necessary to achieve a heterosexual orientation. It is so problematic that it creates populations that end up exclusively homosexual as a side effect, along with unconscious resentments like misogyny and sexual sadism and rape.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Capitalism is based on a tiny class of owners exploiting the labor of the masses. It permitted literal chattel slavery for centuries. The workplace is authoritarian. Nobody gets hurt by capitalism? What capitalism? It isn't all just first world service sector "labor aristocracy" jobs out there. Remember the chimney sweeps and child labor in Britain during the Industrial Revolution? Look, if capitalism were not oppressive, communism would not exist. Communism is a reaction to the brutality of capitalism. If capitalists don't want communism, treat workers well. If a revolution happens and a communist dictatorship results, the blame lies with the prior sociopathic ruling class abusing people with overwork and low wages and gross inequality. All wealth is reducible to human labor power. All wealth is produced by workers. Capitalist rentiers earn passive income (profit, interest and rent) by virtue of a legal title and no work at all! They can pay managers to oversee their enterprises, and most just own stocks in businesses they don't even have to think about. They are the real welfare queens.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humans are not like other animals. We have 2 inherited information systems - DNA and language. Animals only have the former. A human today is not the same as a human a century ago. A horse today is exactly like a horse a century ago. This is so obvious it shouldn't require any explanation. Why are people are so blind to the fact that we are a massive collection of linguistic constructs? In humans, it takes more than one brain to make a mind. A human being never spoken to is unthinkable. What would it even be? It's not possible. Language makes us as distinct from animals as animals are from plants. It is at least as differentiating as being able to move around. Human beings are programmable in a way that opens up entire vistas unavailable to animals. Space travel, music, humor, ideology, creativity, even the ability to understand our own biology and manipulate it genetically! We are NOT the same.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think this idea comes from an equation of Stalinism with communism. Classical Marxism uses socialism and communism interchangeably. When referring to authoritarian bureaucracies descended from the Russian Revolution, Stalinism is clearer. Stalin represents a political counter-revolution, resting on the economic substructure set up by the Russian Revolution (a state that works in the economic interests of workers, or at least gives lip service to it as its raison d'être). It inevitably restores capitalism, but since it is a left over of revolutionaries, they either cynically rule for personal privileges or delude themselves while facilitating capitalist restoration.

TRA Twitter poll "Are Transwomen women?" - majority of voters clicked No by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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Personally, I don't see a contradiction between radical feminism and men's rights activism. The problem is gender, and the best person to explain this is Warren Farrell. Both sexes are subject to the unfreedom of their respective genders, and no one alive today created this system. Women are objectified as sex objects; men are objectified as success objects. Women are subordinated to men; men's lives are worth less as they are sacrificed in war and dangerous jobs. It's 2 sides of the same coin, apparently inevitable out of necessity at a certain stage of human development that we are progressing beyond. Neither struggle for liberation necessarily minimizes the other.

It seems like Google started burying this page in their search results? by Astrid2448 in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"saidit lgbdropthet"

Strangely, that only works for me if I include the quotes (and then Google shows the page as if it were searched without quotes). Searching without quotes doesn't show it.

TRAs are going full science denial now. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 47 insightful - 2 fun47 insightful - 1 fun48 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sexual rejection requires no justification or explanation whatsoever. To posit otherwise is a form of coercion that approaches the mindset of a rapist. It is totalitarian to police people's sexual desires or shame their dating preferences.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Communism understands change and that human institutions and "nature" are manifestations of an economic substructure. "Communist" nations today do not think they live under communism. That is their goal, not their condition. They see themselves as the dictatorship of the proletariat competing with the dictatorships of the bourgeoisie, working to usher in a world not based on imperialism, war, and repeated capitalist depressions - conditions that bring out the worst in people.

Does Communism support free speech? by LarrySwinger2 in funny

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Which communism? Where? Under what circumstances? Too much is subsumed under this term for this to be a meaningful question. Stalinism, the legacy of the Russian Revolution, does not, no. But the French Communards? The Socialist Party of Great Britain (which precedes the Russian Revolution and criticized it at the time)? Regarding Stalinism, it doesn't exist in a vacuum, but surrounded by hostile capitalist states hell bent on destroying it. That makes it paranoid (understandably).

First case in Italy of parents of a 13 years old boy asking for a gender change. It begun..... by Ossidiana in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said anything about being able to control it. I said it wasn't genetic. Another thing that is learned and cannot be chosen or controlled is one's native language.

I'm not praising ancient Greece. I'm using it as an example to prove that homosexuality cannot be genetic if it is distributed in different proportions in different societies. This is obvious and definitive. What you think of the form homosexuality took in that society is irrelevant to the point I'm making. Insisting that homosexuality only exists in a small minority because of biology is just heterosexist propaganda. There are documented societies where EVERYONE participates in homosexual activity.

Since you would always choose heterosexuality if given a choice, I can assume you are homophobic.

I still can't understand how Rowling is getting absolutely slammed over reasonable, empathetic and what should be non-controversial statements. I feel like I'm going crazy here. by zerosis in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those who value truth have to be willing to lose friends and family. I'm not religious, but I think that is the meaning of Luke 14:26 (taking this as an allegory since Christ in the Greek is Logos - or logic/reason). That is very hard for anyone to do.

I still can't understand how Rowling is getting absolutely slammed over reasonable, empathetic and what should be non-controversial statements. I feel like I'm going crazy here. by zerosis in LGBDropTheT

[–]joogabah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm hoping this will be like a vaccine for subsequent issues that reminds society why freedom of speech is so important (and that it is meaningless if it is not the freedom to offend). Most people appear to confuse what is familiar with what is true, or maybe I should say what is consensus with what is true, even though there are a ton of counter examples. That leaves them wide open to social manipulation. All those noxious ideologies from yesteryear that seem so outrageous? Now we get to see how that works.

Looks like askgaybros is starting to peak on the far lefts homophobia by Ambisextrous in LGBDropTheT

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It is not far Left. It is far Right, conservative sex role stereotypes in an Pride Trojan horse. Sex role stereotypes are for creating soldiers and mothers, a nationalistic aim that has nothing to do with equality or economic justice for the exploited working class.

Apparently "mother" in an uninclusive term. Sick of the NB BS by Beth-BR in LGBDropTheT

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Why is there a trend to say "I was born (fe)male"? Isn't "I am (fe)male" clearer and more accurate? All human males have always been and always will be male and all human females have always been and always will be female.

Looks like r/AreTheStraightsOK is slowly being taken over TRAs as well. A shame because it is/was one of my favorite subs 😔 by throwaway_6969420420 in LGBDropTheT

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I think it is fair to critique heterosexuality as an institution that is demanded and enforced by the state and the church. I mean, why should they even care or have an interest? It is literally totalitarian to police people's sex lives (and trim their genitals at birth - tho that is a tangent).

Old but hilarious gold: Milo drops the T by dandeliondynasty in LGBDropTheT

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I dunno - the surgery and hormones has a nazi vibe to me. It's a gruesome experiment on unwitting children.

Old but hilarious gold: Milo drops the T by dandeliondynasty in LGBDropTheT

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And yet, this one article is cogent and more thorough than most of the trans criticism available here (and a lot older - and prescient). I have a problem with the characterization of trans as "far left" tho. I don't see how it relates to the left at all, except they have LGBT institutions and liberal media pushing it. In my more conspiratorial moods I wonder if someone is intentionally putting correct arguments in far right publications in order to further confuse the issue. So many people are more convinced by who says something than what they are saying. But the devil can speak the truth, particularly in the service of a broader deception.

Old but hilarious gold: Milo drops the T by dandeliondynasty in LGBDropTheT

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I'm on the far left but this piece is spot on. I really don't see how reaffirming sex role stereotypes and surgically enforcing them is "progressive' tho, or has anything at all to do with the class struggle.

Why do people on askgaybros think we were a hatesub? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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It is hard to wrap my head around the idea of genetic uniformity as a social good, or even cultural uniformity. America is so individualistic. There is no obligation to hang out with people one doesn't care to. But nationalism is why there are wars, and the historical trend seems to be a broadening of geographical identities. America's racist concept of "white" is an amalgam of European cultures. America itself seems to be a kind of globalization 1.0. The hostility of segregated ethnicities appears to be a dead end to me. In another century I bet all people will be permitted to be wherever they want to be on Earth, without national constructs dividing us. Nations haven't been around for very long anyway, and their existence benefits the ruling classes, not workers who share more in common with their class brothers of other countries.

Interesting take from our "friends" at r/gendercynical by CrashCourse in LGBDropTheT

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For a brief moment Russia was ahead of the curve, decriminalizing homosexuality in 1922 (and legalizing abortion) and having an openly gay commissar in the early days of the Russian Revolution before Stalin rolled it all back in 1933. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lenins-revolution-red-gay-and-almost-glorious_b_5a03883be4b0204d0c17140e

Why do people on askgaybros think we were a hatesub? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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As a resident of a former colony based on immigration from all of the world, it is very difficult for me to understand that perspective (tho I happen to be red headed and Irish).

Had a phone date with a new guy ruined over trans rights when neither of us are even trans by nbailey73 in LGBDropTheT

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"Synopsis: The Gendercator is a satirical take on surgical body modification and gender. The story uses the “Rip Van Winkle” mode l to extrapolate from the feminist 70s to a frightening 2048 where politics and technology have conspired to mandate two gender “choices”: Macho male or Barbie babe. In this dystopian future, those whose gender presentation does not comply will be GENDERCATED.

Distinctions: The Gendercator is the only film ever accepted, programmed and then cancelled from San Francisco’s Frameline Film Festival in 31 yearsdue to an email campaign consisting of 130 identical emails."