Are the TQs right or wrong in saying that the brains of gay people are structured like the brains of their opposite sex by which they mean gay men are psychologically women and gay women are psychologically men?

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[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Studies like this are part of what peaked me for a few reasons:

  1. They proved that sexuality is innate, not that some people are 'male-brained' or 'female brained'. When they cite studies like this as 'proof' of transness they admit their own homophobia by implying that gay men aren't 'real' men and lesbians aren't 'real' women because they're same sex attracted. Okay sure, we have proof now that certain brain differences are seen in those attracted to men vs those attracted to women. That says absolutely nothing about gender dysphoria being a product of having an innately male or female brain in a body that doesn't match.

  2. Studies like this only provide insight into the homosexual transsexual type of trans person, i.e homosexuals who transition in order to be 'straight'. This means fuck all for 'eat my boy pussy' gay trans bois and 'suck my girldick' transbians. Because these people are heterosexual.

Gina Rippon didn't necessarily set out to debunk the idea of trans people having opposite sex brain, but her book "Gendered Brain: The New Neuroscience that Shatters the Myth of the Female Brain" compiles various studies to pinpoint if differences do exist and she wasn't able to find anything definitive. Another study 2018 study "Sex Differences in the Adult Human Brain: Evidence from 5216 UK Biobank Participants" says outright

There was considerable distributional overlap between the sexes. Subregional differences were not fully attributable to differences in total volume, total surface area, mean cortical thickness, or height.

You can read it here: https://academic.oup.com/cercor/article/28/8/2959/4996558

Figure 1 shows visually just how much overlap there was between the male and female participants. With this amount of overlap you'd think something like 40-60% of the population would be identifying as trans. But that's not the case.

[–]Seahorse 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for this.

This study often cited by TRAs but they always cherry pick which aspects to talk about.

I compare it to antivaxxers and the Wakefield study.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem. And yeah they love to use studies like this in their favor not realizing it actually disproves their argument. Usually what's at play when a study claims to find evidence of brain sex is that the sample size is too small, and when compared to another study with a much larger sample size (over 1000), those differences start to fade. In cases where a large sample size does seem to prove brain sex, TRAs arguing in favor of it always gloss over the fact that TRENDS are found, not something they can definitely look at and say a brain is male or female. Unlike genitals and chromosomes, there is no one structure or even a group of structures in the brain that a scientist can see on a scan and classify its sex. But that's typical TRA behavior really. They see a trend and try to box everyone inside the boundaries. Anyone who doesn't fit is immediately transed.

[–]luckystar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IIRC "transbians" (biological men that are attracted to biological women) don't have "female brains" either, just gay men & HSTS. They think these brain studies prove something but all it does is prove that transition is actually a form of gay conversion therapy and that transbians absolutely are not women even by their own twisted standards