BisexualRobust evidence for bisexual orientation among men

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[–]a_blue_bird 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You seem to think that pseudobisexuals are called that because of transition. They aren't, and this term is also applied to people who haven't transitioned. As the other user already wrote, the reason why they are not considered bisexual is that they do not normally have any interest in the same sex - sexual or romantic - but it appears when they begin ''presenting''. E.g., when a cross-dresser dresses up as a woman, he might begin seeking relations with men in order to live out the fantasy of ''being a woman''. Not because he experiences genuine sexual attraction to the particular man X or Y, but because the fantasy of being a woman turns him on, and he needs literally any guy to fuck him to make him feel even more ''womanly''. The crosdresser's (or transsexual pseudobisexual's) focus is always on himself, the arousal comes from himself, imagining himself as a woman, engaging in stereotypical female behaviours etc. That is one of several reasons why MTFs argue that ''but women are also turned on by themselves, it's not just us!!!''

As always, this stuff literally only applies to MTFs for unknown reasons.

Well, paraphilias are much more common in men than in women. Plus, up until recently MTFs were the overwhelming majority of transsexuals. Take both of these things into account and you might understand why paraphilic behaviors in FTMs haven't been studied very much.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The attraction to males or females for these people requires a fetish narrative to sustain itself, and the narrative revolves around the person with the fetish. It’s less about the other than the self. That’s how I read it. The “behaviour” is bisexual if the person sleeps with both sexes, but the attraction is fetish based and revolving around the person with the fetish.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I didn't say that it was. I'm just pointing out that, 99% of the time, the term ONLY seems to be used when discussing trans people.

No, they don't. I've literally never seen this happen. STRAIGHT men with humiliation fetishes go for "femdoms"/women who will peg them with a strapon. These women do exist, so men have no reason to seek out men. Plus, speaking from very real personal experience, having sex with someone you're not genuinely attracted to is AWFUL. It's super psychologically damaging and not something I would wish even on pervert males. I think even they would quickly be damaged by it, and would no longer seek out men for sex.

The males that specifically go for males are bi/gay. It doesn't matter if they're not the kind of bi/gay that YOU want them to be, or the kind that fits the "Love is love, sweet precious MLM!" innocent narrative. Plenty of bi/gay people DON'T fit that narrative, and I am one of them. My sexuality isn't about "Love", and it's entirely a negative experience. Sure, sure, we may not be the MAJORITY, but we do in fact exist and we're not some kind of "psuedosexuality." You could argue that people like me have sexual disorders, perhaps, or that our sexualities aren't 100% developed properly, but to say that we're actually "straight with a fetish" is hilariously dumb and is on the same level of "Well it's not gay if you don't take it up the ass."

And I will ask you again. I have never been physically attracted to the body of a real life man. I don't like men. I have no emotional connection to men, the idea of being with a man in a romantic relationship is sickening. So tell me, am I a "psuedohomosexual?" Is my sexuality caused bya "humilation fetish" despite me being emotionally unable to cope with being seen as inferior? Or does this magically only apply to bi people because blah blah they're deviants who oppress the L/G or some horseshit along those lines?

What I HAVE seen however is very obviously bi males come up with "no homo" excuses and try to CLAIM that they're not bi. For example a MTF who considers himself "straight", or, like I said, guys who are into feminine males who claim that doesn't make them gay/bi because they're "like girls."

Just because a crossdresser tells you he's ""straight"" doesn't mean he actually is. These people tend to come from very "traditionalist" and regressive upbringings in regards to gender conformity and homosexuality. That's part of why they get off on crossdressing, because being even somewhat feminine they have been taught to consider as "forbidden" and wrong. They're not going to easily admit to being bisexual or homosexual, are they? Especially if they're far gone enough to consider themselves women.

[–]a_blue_bird 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm just pointing out that, 99% of the time, the term ONLY seems to be used when discussing trans people.

Because this term comes from research of MTFs and their sexual behaviour.

I have never been physically attracted to the body of a real life man. I don't like men.

If you aren't attracted to men, then it is difficult to see what makes you homosexual.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And MTFs aren't magical creatures. They are still capable of homosexuality or bisexuality.

I am sexually attracted to penises. Is this not same sex attraction, albeit a very basic and disconnected form? No, I do not like real men, but this is a very complex issue, and sexuality labels only serve to give an approximation or closest description of someone's sexual desire. I don't believe it's appropriate or necessary to create an arbitrary label for myself just because I don't experience any romantic attraction to men.

[–]a_blue_bird 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And MTFs aren't magical creatures.

For one, they are autogynephiles (pseudobisexuality only applies to AGP transsexuals), and most other people aren't. Even FTMs aren't. There is no reason to assume that everyone is identical to everyone else, and no difference is possible.

You seem to be taking this way more personally than you should.