We need to abolish gender, bring the discourse back to destroying gender stereotypes, we are the progressives here.

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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I don't believe in gender either. But whenever I would write that on /r/gendercritical, someone would always rush over to downvote me. I couldn't figure out if it was actual GC users, or twans uwu lurkers. (I guess I'm hoping someone familiar with /r/gc can hop in and explain. Like, fuck their downvotes, I never changed my opinion or stopped voicing it, but it always confused me that people in a gender critical sub would be critical of someone for not believing in santa claus gender.)

[–]artetolife 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what their official position is supposed to be, but a lot of them seem to ignore the name and just use it as a place to bash men/trans/liberals/etc.

[–]Ambisextrous[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think it’s best if we stopped using the word gender altogether, it is sex based rights that are at risk here. But also interested in other perspectives:)

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree "gender" needs to fuck off. When I was little, we just used "gender" instead of "sex" because saying "sex" out loud was awkward. Splitting sex and gender into two separate concepts (but also the same concept, when it's convenient for them, and running the goalposts back and forth from the two positions) has been one of the worst ideas anyone has ever come up with.

[–]Monyeti 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I very specifically call out when people use gender instead of sex, especially regarding sex-based rights. I also am very careful to make sure I use the correct term and try to avoid using gender altogether.

[–]Ambisextrous[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is probably the best way to do it, TRAs will try and twist anybody’s words to their agenda so we have to be annoyingly specific for now I feel

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I was on GC for a few years, and over the past year, it became more heavily populated by more women (who seemed to be crossover on ppf and fds and rarely the other radfem-linked subs) who started arguing that biological essentialism was real - men are inherent rapists, etc. Which radical feminist philosophers have always been vehemently against as they believe that gendered (sex stereotypes based on biological categories) socialization is a social construct. They would ignore me whenever I asked if men were inherently anything, what did that make women, inherently? I was told that biological essentialism is wrong towards women and a-ok against men, despite saying if men are inherent rapists, you take away their accountability and choice to do so (and ignoring all the many men in their lives who weren't rapists). I get being traumatized by both patriarchy and men, but they still seemed to believe in the sex stereotypes that proved whatever grudge they had was inherent and not a choice. I would guess the downvoters were either the lurkers or if it was in the past year or so, potentially that same group of women.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks, that really explains it. I really wish the gender critical sub had been able to remain pure, just a place to criticize/denounce gender theory, not the shit on men and trans club. Like, I get that it was a radfem sub, but still, it sucked that we never stuck to the actual topic. I wanted it to be a 'shit on the concept of gender' club, not a 'shit on penis-havers and handmaidens of penis-havers' club.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Me too. I get that the trans stuff became so large so quickly it was overwhelming, but in the earlier years, we talked about all kinds of women's issues from all areas of the globe - especially the harms of gender. I missed that. When it became the trans-focused sub, I really, desperately, wanted a sub that discussed radical feminist theory and furthered the knowledge from the second wave. I got super pumped when the radfemtheory sub started a couple weeks before the ban, but I got booted on day one because it was the same ppf/fds women saying men were inherent rapists and that male babies should be aborted. It's funny - I regularly spoke about feminist issues in a pile of non-feminist subs, and that was the only sub I ever got banned from.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was on GC for five years. I really think the TRAS infiltrated a long time ago. Slowly, they built up their level of power and control on Reddit/Twitter, to the point that we see today.