Why do people on askgaybros think we were a hatesub?

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[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't believe in sacrificing people against their will. What if you prefer the invader? What if your conscription is in Germany in 1942? Conscription removes the rights of the individual entirely and sacrifices their life to some political authority's interests. War is just business by other means. Let the capitalists duke it out amongst themselves and leave workers alone. I don't care what color flag is flying overhead. Nationalism is bullshit. http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/nationstate.html

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Conscription is about responsibility to the community and the country, and rights come with responsibilities.

By the way, I think nationalism is a good thing. If you disagree with me, that's fine. But countries like Japan, Israel and South Korea are nationalist countries. Tell them that nationalism is bullshit, and they will laugh at you.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Tell me what you think of the short essay I linked to in my previous comment. It's the best argument against nationalism I've run across. Nationalism leads to national chauvinism and war (which requires conscription). Better to identify with humanity, and make war impossible.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, I disagree with your essay. I want my country, Ireland, to be at least 95% ethnically Irish. And I make no apology for it.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As a resident of a former colony based on immigration from all of the world, it is very difficult for me to understand that perspective (tho I happen to be red headed and Irish).

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Spend some time in a European or an Asian country, and you will understand where I'm coming from.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is hard to wrap my head around the idea of genetic uniformity as a social good, or even cultural uniformity. America is so individualistic. There is no obligation to hang out with people one doesn't care to. But nationalism is why there are wars, and the historical trend seems to be a broadening of geographical identities. America's racist concept of "white" is an amalgam of European cultures. America itself seems to be a kind of globalization 1.0. The hostility of segregated ethnicities appears to be a dead end to me. In another century I bet all people will be permitted to be wherever they want to be on Earth, without national constructs dividing us. Nations haven't been around for very long anyway, and their existence benefits the ruling classes, not workers who share more in common with their class brothers of other countries.