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[–]topiary2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course schlomopiro would be front and center pushing AI generated propaganda to justify genocide.

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's really a fucking dystopia when photos can't be trusted anymore. How can you ever win in court when you can say for every bit of evidence that it was fabricated by AI?

GAN-detectors will stop working at some point.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is exactly why I posted this.

I noticed that some Ukraine promotion videos were staged, sometimes mixed with CGI or other footage.
And we have to be very carefully with war propaganda.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you are completely delusional for believing there is anything you can know about the situation in Ukraine, unless you have a web of trust connecting all the way to the front with some kind of heavy penalty for any link in that web not to lie to you. Let's say the Ukrainian military told people living near the front to only spread false information, even to their own family for operational security, how would you as presumably someone sitting behind their computer in some slightly more comfortable place ever know?

Really, if people don't want you to know, they won't. I'd expect that video footage faking is at the point that some propaganda commander can just type in a web-application "start the video with the logo of some division looking like a special ops team, then show a shot of a drone dropping a bomb on a tank, and have the tank explode with body parts flying around". It might be that Ukraine didn't have that at the begin of the war, but there is no chance the Special Activities Center doesn't have something operational like that, just in case the war doesn't go according to plan.

When there are journalists actually near the front lines, it becomes harder to fake what's going on, but basically whenever anything interesting is happening journalists are kept far away, from what I understand.

So, given all this, what's the point of even trying to know the truth, since there is no way to construct the truth? I mean, perhaps if you had a few thousand people working together to analyze every photo, every video with a large social network of experts carefully cataloging and structuring everything, perhaps you can make sense of it, but otherwise? Who the fuck knows whether the statistics Ukraine presents make any sense? The Americans would know, but otherwise?

People want to know what's happening, but such information is compartimentalized to the point that the people in the trenches also don't know. All they can do is count bodies on their side vs the other, but that also says little.

I have been hearing for months how the Ukrainians have been making some progress, but recently the Russians created a large offensive and they want to complete taking a full province (lots of people (or bots) on Reddit claim that they too would like a pony in response).

I think it's just odd that creating sufficient shells is such a problem. Any fucking moron should be able to increase 155 mm shell production, right? It might be that this too has just been propaganda. Either countries are fucking retarded (shells are not exactly new technology) or they are lying. You can tell me what it is, but you would have no way of showing it either way. If it's really the case that increasing production is such a problem our Western leaders should ideally be executed for incompetence, but we all know that's not going to happen.

[–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If we can somehow get a date on the puppy photo then it is proof AI was used. (Ie if you have proof the puppy photo was around in 2022 we then know it was used by AI to make the baby photo.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You didn't think this plan through. Where are you going to get a date? From a person? Who says you can trust this person? The only way to trust data, is if you can make a camera that can't be tampered with (which was tried by Nikon, but I think it was hacked).

[–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I would think this picture was most likely scrapped from the net somewhere. If we can find that location we could then use the wayback machine to date when it was posted. We could then say with a great deal of certainty that the image was stolen and AI altered.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't give a shit about this particular image. I was talking about the general case. Also, you would get no certainty. It would just be another probabilistic result, which means you can't derive anything with certainty (which was the problem).

[–]DNase 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is always dogs associated with this esoteric stuff

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a 4chan joke

The dog one is clearly the fake.

Why would a dog be in a body bag and have ash on it?

The dumb things you guys believe due to you biases are hilarious.

Well done 4chan

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/is-ben-shapiro-burnt-baby-photo-real-fake-origin-explored-host-comes-fire-ai-generated-claim

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for giving a different view.

I know from history that both sides (Jews and Muslims) like to fake stuff,
and do horrible things.
There is not telling what is fake with all the propaganda.
And I think that we should have a critical look at all of it.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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