Just came by to find like minds!

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I'm newish to both of them, but I've been spending a lot of time both on reddit (r/truscum especially) and Ovarit, and was looking to find both trans people and gender critical people who would want to work together to try and fix some problems that affect both cisgender/natal women and trans people. Hopefully I can make a few friends and read some interesting stuff on the s/GCdebatesQT sub.

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Welcome! SaidIt is for free speech, so you won't get banned for disagreeing with the DNC or Beijing. Just don't spam ads, advocate violence, or post porn and you'll be good!

I'm a politically incorrect transwoman myself, but not a truscum — I believe you can be trans without being in a constant state of distress over your biological sex (which is the definition of "gender dysphoria"). I don't believe in self-identification either; I believe you have to act like a woman to be a woman, or a man to be a man (which means I don't believe prostitutes or females who get abortions are actually women, or that males who drink alcohol or don't provide for their families are actually men, they're just sinful animals).

My reason for leaving, or rather: being left by, the "Community" (establishment LGBT controlled by the DNC) pertains primarily to unrelated subjects, like abortion, gun rights, and Southern heritage. Establishment LGBT circles care more about killing babies and hating White people than actually furthering the interests of queerfolks. They also want privileges instead of rights and push for censorship and anti-straight discrimination, which I strongly oppose.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

(which means I don't believe prostitutes or females who get abortions are actually women, or that males who drink alcohol or don't provide for their families are actually men, they're just sinful animals).

Holy moly, TAM. This is a side of you that is unexpected. I guess I should have properly stalked your blogs after all. Whew. Are you sure you are not a secret Nazi?

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I ain't no Socialist, I'm a Corporatist.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hello, and thank you!

You have a unique perspective and opinions, I really like that. I appreciate your thoughts on these things. I try to keep an open mind, and I can see where you're coming from regarding that "truscum" ideology regarding gender dysphoria. There are a lot of different kinds of people who fall under the large transgender "umbrella" that includes more types of gender nonconforming people than perhaps were previously defined as transgender. I'm a fairly liberal person and pretty accepting of anyone or anything that isn't hurting others. I've found a lot of mutual agreement with truscum and gender critical thinking, and I guess in some circles those views could be considered a little regressive or "old fashioned" in contemporary transgender/gender identity dialogue. But perhaps it's my own experience with transsexualism and gender dysphoria/sex dysphoria that influences my thoughts on things most. Despite being trans myself, I just don't really relate with much of the transgender community (like the concept of self ID--go nuts with it, but I don't think it's appropriate to be making legislation based on that).

Depending on how you view me, I probably don't belong in LGB spaces much either--I don't really relate with much. I think it's the "queer" and transgender circles that are pushing most for things I fundamentally disagree with or find suspect. I'm not black and white on things like the unrelated subjects you mention, but I admittedly lean liberally with them.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!

I guess in some circles those views could be considered a little regressive or "old fashioned"

I'm pretty "old fashioned" myself. I'm from the rural South, and we tend to be pretty strict on how men and women are 'sposed to behave — but femininity is defined a bit differently than up North: being a "tom boy" is considered normal, and even expected in the really rural areas (like where I grew up). So our disagreements probably have some sort of cultural element to 'em.

I'm also pretty "old fashioned" on other things, like abortion.

Despite being trans myself, I just don't really relate with much of the transgender community

I get that. I disagree with ninety percent of transfolks on just about every social issue there is.

I probably don't belong in LGB spaces much either--I don't really relate with much.

I get that. I'm abstinent, so I don't delve into sexuality.

I'm not black and white on things like the unrelated subjects you mention, but I admittedly lean liberally with them.

Ah, I'm more of a Conservative, really. I tend to lean left on economics, but I'm right-wing on most social issues — apparently I'm "far-right" for not wanting to censor opinions I disagree with, and a "Fascist" for not wanting to take people's guns away (the irony is not lost on them).

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

males who drink alcohol sinful animal

God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Not sure what that's 'sposed to mean.

On the subject of religion: alcohol is a demon.

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It means that God looks out for those in need. The people most in need are not generally upstanding characters. Remember that Jesus loved whores as people.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, I've never heard anyone say "providence" before, except when referring to Rhode Island.

Jesus loves the people, not the sin. Prostitution is a demon.

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It's the old timey quote.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mhm

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Good luck. There's a bunch of normal people here who will happily engage in debate with you. Maybe that will help.

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There's a bunch of normal people here

That's a vicious rumor.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

present company excepted, of course

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! So far everyone seems pretty great!

[–]369 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

Having conversations with someone like you is unnecessarily hard.
This ambiguous bubble you live in where convenient coincidences drown out any critical thinking can only ever damage people like you.

Abandon their linguistic toolkit. You're being duped.
The people gulping down this heinous spew are just feeding the beast. We're better off reframing and mocking them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don't really understand exactly what you're saying. What convenient coincidences? Whose linguistic toolkit? What am I being duped about? What is "this heinous spew" that is "just feeding the beast"? I'd like if you could explain what you're really talking about, but maybe my asking this is the kind of thing that makes you assume a conversation with someone like me would be unnecessarily hard.

[–]369 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Letting people shove ambiguity upon gender is a mistake. Gender/Sex is binary. Exceptions don't prove the rule.
The tranny thing was about raping children from the beginning and it's not going to change.

The convenient coincidences you're imagining seem to be along the lines of this being organic. "Gender dysphoria" is just about cognitive dissonance. People suffering from "not knowing what gender they are" are targets of psychological conditioning. It's about eroding identity and depersoning people.

The linguistic toolkit is clear. You're using all of their funny words to explain "someone that's retarded". Call them the words that make them uncomfortable and call the ones parading them around like fucking monkeys in cages self-absorbed assholes like they are.

You're being duped about the argument(s). These people have genuine mental issues. It takes steep neurosis to not know what gender you are and to let someone else convince you that your gender is ambiguous. Even engaging these people outside of mocking them and reframing their bullshit isn't worth your time.

Normalizing gender ambiguity is heinous.

Tune in to Jordan Peterson. He explains why they're jamming linguistic conformity down our throats.

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You seem to be reading into what I've said and making assumptions about my beliefs instead of asking me to elaborate on anything. I'm not really sure where your use of the term "gender ambiguity" is coming from, I didn't mention anything about that. I agree sex is binary, I'm not sure why you jumped to the conclusion I believe it's not. It almost seems like you saw the word "trans" and pulled out pre-made talking points, possibly from Jordan Peterson? I'm not really talking about anything you seem to think I'm talking about.

[–]369 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I'm criticizing you for involving yourself in discussions with the zealots and not just mocking them and showing everyone else how retarded what they're saying is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, okay, that makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying!

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Hey, welcome to saidit!

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hello! Thank you! :)

[–]Zorbs 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That reminds me, whatever happened to the old GC community? I know after it was suddenly banned by the psychos on that other site I had heard from a couple radfem girls who used to follow my old twitter account (RIP) that there were plans in motion to move/setup the community in exile. Anyone know if it ever landed anywhere?

[–]againstpedorights 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ew not trannys