Disappointed in Vanessa Vokey

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[–]Kai_Decadence 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Yeah, I'm very thankful for the gender critical videos that's she made because she made so many good points and continually stood her ground even when she got dogpiled on by Samantha Lux's fans. But the anti-vax/anti-mask thing totally came from left field and I can't get behind that neither. I get that we're living in trying times right and the masks are annoying to have to wear but this is why the vaccines are being made, so we can return back to normalcy and people refusing to get vaccinated are not helping matters and will be the reason why we stay in "mask world".

But aside from this and what she said about how any man who dresses in feminine clothing are perverted fetishists (it concerned me as a feminine GNC man myself who doesn't do what I do for fetish or sexual gratification), I still support her as a GC speaker and I just treat this as someone who I think makes good content but I don't agree with her on everything kinda deal.

[–]lefterfield 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

and will be the reason why we stay in "mask world".

I love 99% of what you say here, but this is propaganda. The government/businesses have the power to dictate(or not) whether we stay in "mask world". It's not predicated on whether 50%, 75%, or 100% of people get vaccinated. You can agree with the mandate if you want, but it's not the choices of the "unvaccinated" that are imposing it. And it's dangerous to think this way because it's scapegoating and demonizing a huge number of people with varying reasons to refuse the vaccine.

[–]Kai_Decadence 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I understand why some may not want to get vaccinated but I dunno, I'm just getting tired of this because who knows when we will leave "mask world" and I really hope this really will not be our new normal for the next like 5 years, eugh... lol I just want things to go back to normal now y'know? I understand that covid was serious when it first hit and a lot of people did get affected by it (including myself, I caught it back in 2020) but I feel like we more or less have a better handle on it now then we did in 2020.

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I get that, really. But I don't believe anymore that the officials pushing 'mask mandates' are doing it because of valid data that it prevents/fights covid infections. The masks in particular, there's never been strong evidence that they do much, and "typical use" by the average person(keep reusing a single dirty mask they keep waded up somewhere in the car) is negligible at best and actively harmful to the person's health at worst. So why the mandates? And what number of vaccinations will be enough? I went along with it back when it first hit and it did seem like a serious threat. Now I'm just tired of the constant shifting goalposts and genuinely POSITIVE signs of it subsiding that are being ignored by the media/government. So I agree with everything you're saying here, I just think the blame needs to be on those in power.

[–]shinnygummy[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

It's not ~"propaganda"~ lefter. We're not leaving "mask world" until the virus is no longer a threat, and the longer you choose to be cowardly and selfish, the longer it will go on.

[–]lefterfield 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

So what's your plan, exactly? Kill or imprison the non-compliant? Freeze their bank accounts, prevent them from feeding their families?

[–]shinnygummy[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

What the fuck lol. You're a conspiracy theorist with a persecution complex. No, you complete buffoon, it's offensive to suggest that a holocaust is being perpetuated against you.

Mask and vaccine mandates will continue.

[–]lefterfield 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Why do you insist on making everything about me? I asked what YOU would do to the NON-COMPLIANT. Did I name myself as such? Is it any of your fucking business whether I have the vaccine or not? No. No, it is not.

Creepiest sentence you've said yet. You're an authoritarian, I get it.

[–]shinnygummy[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

It is my business because unvaccinated people are more contagious. I would simply not lift the mandates until there is no longer danger.

[–]lefterfield 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm genuinely curious what that means to you. Zero covid deaths anywhere? Is it some number of new cases?

[–]shinnygummy[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Zero new covid cases.

[–]lefterfield 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Scientifically impossible. So you advocate permanent lockdowns and mask mandates. Why does it matter if anyone gets vaccinated or not, then?

[–]TulipPoplar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All mandates are enforced at gunpoint. Otherwise it is not a mandate.

[–]shinnygummy[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Then the current mask and vaccine mandates aren't mandates because they aren't enforced at gunpoint. Do you see the flaw in your logic?