Are CAIS male or female?

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[–]HangingWithMyNothing 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

But I want a direct answer, are CAIS male or female? No beating around the bush. The answer is either, 1) male, or 2) female. Which one is it? Reminder that CAIS have testes.

Also, this has a lot to do with "trans". If CAIS are male who think they are women and get in women's spaces just because they think they are women, it means "identifying" as a woman somehow makes a man a woman, and non-intersex men will use it too to get in women's spaces.

If CAIS are men, I'm never going to let them anywhere close to me or other women in our space. And I'm never going to use she/her on them. They should get the same treatment as non-intersex men who think they are women. A disorder shouldn't be put on a pedestal, enough said.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You've the answer you're looking for in the very same articles you linked. They are genotypically male who look like women because a lack androgen sensitivity. You couldn't tell they are actually male unless they tell you about it. This has nothing to do with trans issues. A trans identified male neither look nor have the same life experiences than a male with CAIS. Most people with DSD, whether is CAIS or any other condition, are not the ones driving the sex is a spectrum bullshit. It's TRA who are appropriating the struggles of people with DSD for their own nefarious purposes, not unlike what they do with black people or the so called third genders in certain countries (e.g. hijra).

But you have been told this before already. So, why do you keep acting like this sex spectrum bullshit is the fault of people with CAIS or any other DSD? I repeat, most trans identified individual don't have any sort of DSD.

[–]HangingWithMyNothing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So CAIS are males? As I said, if they are males they should not be called "woman", "female" or "she/her". The reason they are "raised as girls" is because doctors surgically remove their testes in infancy most times. Doesn't change the fact they are male. Males with CAIS "identifying" as women because they somehow "look like women", wear dresses, put on make up, and have mutilated body parts doesn't change the fact they are males. They are males with cut off testes who "look like women". And if I think someone is a female, only to learn they are a male with CAIS, I will 1- feel lied to, and 2- stop ever using "she/her" on him. I'd use he/him and treat him as the man he is no matter how much he "passes", just like a non-intersex man who "passes" isn't a woman, even if you think that's a woman you're looking at or talking to at first. If someone cuts the dick of a boy, brainwashes him into thinking he's a girl, and the boy grows up to surgically mutilate himself in a way he "passes" as a woman, to the point you wouldn't know it's a man unless he tells you so, does it mean he's a woman? Heck no. How about dropping the hypocrisy and treating CAIS as the men they actually are, hmm?

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How about actually reading on CAIS and sex development rather than made things up?

[–]HangingWithMyNothing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Meh. If they are males, no matter how much they "look like women" they are males and should be treated as such. No more reading necessary.