OVARIT SUCKS

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[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Good points. I agree. As I said upthread, I wouldn't have started a thread criticizing Ovarit myself; I just added to a thread someone else started - and not for the purpose of dissing Ovarit and the admirable efforts of the women who set it up, but coz of the larger issues raised by the "circles" and the practice of deleting posts "for being in the wrong" circle/category, then scolding posters who object by telling them, as a poster on this thread has done,

If your post still gets removed for being in the wrong category, isn't it better figure out why?

I think I am perhaps over-sensitive to this sort of policing and censoriousness coz I spent my formative years in a RC convent school were us kids routinely got publicly humiliated as well as hit - and hit hard - with rulers and crucifixes for writing "the wrong way" (such as not perfectly on the lines or within the margins), voicing "the wrong" thoughts, doing "the wrong" things, having "the wrong" feelings, and even singing in "the wrong" key.

[–]alttrawl 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If your post still gets removed for being in the wrong category, isn't it better figure out why?

You read too much into it. I specifically mentioned the words wrong category. Same idea with a math problem. If you get the answer wrong and continue insisting on not figuring out the logic, do you expect to pass math class? Categories exist for a reason. This thread comes off to me as someone refusing to acknowledge that French red wines and Californian red wines deserve separate topics just because they don't see the difference. What if they scare off a prospective wine connoisseur by being so strict? /s

The need for separate topics becomes obvious once you take the time to learn the reasoning e.g. farming methods, but what is the point of arguing that most laymen can't tell the difference so what's the point of having separate categories?

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Categories exist for a reason.

This thread comes off to me as someone refusing to acknowledge that French red wines and Californian red wines deserve separate topics just because they don't see the difference. What if they scare off a prospective wine connoisseur by being so strict? /s

The need for separate topics becomes obvious once you take the time to learn the reasoning e.g. farming methods, but what is the point of arguing that most laymen can't tell the difference so what's the point of having separate categories?

Wow, that's some major league snooty condescension there, LOL. Hoped you enjoyed the swell of superciliousness you got from it.

No one here is questioning whether categories exist in general, nor whether they should exist on Ovarit or any other website - or when discussing wine, buying or sorting groceries, doing laundry, or farming. Nor are we all too dumb to know that "categories exist for a reason." We're not little children. But even if we were, the fact is little kids know "categories exist for a reason" - seeing, making and refining categories is something children do naturally from early on.

The issue here is that some people question whether the reasons behind all the different categories on Ovarit are sound, and some think the definitions of some of the categories, as well as the distinctions between a few of them, are blurry.

The need for separate topics becomes obvious once you take the time to learn the reasoning

Yeah, the whole problem here is that I haven't taken the time to learn, and everyone here is inherently incapable of perceiving any reasoning behind any systems of categorization whatsoever on our own. Such dunderheads we are! It couldn't possibly be that people on this thread disagree with particular classifications for reasons that we have already articulated - and that some people further question the ways in which the classification system is enforced.

BTW, a lot of oenophiles would question whether saying

This thread comes off to me as someone refusing to acknowledge that French red wines and Californian red wines deserve separate topics just because they don't see the difference

Is really the gotcha you seem to think it is.

A main difference between French and California wines is the way they are categorized. French and CA grape varietals are the same, but French and CA wines are named and labelled - and thus often/usually organized in shops, catalogues and cellars - in two very different ways. Neither way is "the right way," nor is one way based on more or sounder "reason" than the other. They are simply two different, equally legit ways of categorization, naming, labelling and organizing the same substance - wine. But lots of people outside France think the French way of categorizing and labelling is confusing, unclear and off-putting - and along with fear of mispronunciation, that's a main reason why lots of non-French people steer clear of French wines.

Come to think of it, the example of French vs CA wines actually makes for a very pertinent analogy here, just not in the way you meant when you brought the topic up.

[–]alttrawl 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've already explained many times in this thread about how the site works in case anyone was in good faith genuinely confused. Since you've called me snooty for using the wine example even though I've mentioned one comment below that I don't drink and I've never bought alcohol, it's just an innocent example, it's not unfair for me to say I find you and your argument pedantic.