OVARIT SUCKS

alttrawl · 2021-02-08T06:39:17+00:00

I've already explained many times in this thread about how the site works in case anyone was in good faith genuinely confused. Since you've called me snooty for using the wine example even though I've mentioned one comment below that I don't drink and I've never bought alcohol, it's just an innocent example, it's not unfair for me to say I find you and your argument pedantic.

alttrawl · 2021-02-08T05:54:28+00:00

LOL, even you can't keep the circles straight: there is no "general feminism" circle. Also, maybe the issue here is defining what "gender critical" means then.

I'm really confused by your understanding of my comment. I really don't get why you think I can't keep the circles straight or what's so difficult. If someone calls you out for standing in the wrong place for the queue, you go to the right place. Why would you question the need for a queue? It's not like they're asking people to do advanced latin plant identification. All gc content goes in gc. Everything NOT gc but is still feminism goes in women's liberation. No gc content in women's liberation. If there's a unapparent connection to gc, point it out then it gets to stay. That's it. This is all in the sidebar.

If you go off-topic under a gc thread and talk about radical feminism or your life experiences, that gets to stay. But you can't open an off-topic thread in gc about feminism when there's a specific place in women's liberation for it.

So if someone mentions source material that's not specifically, obviously "gc" - whatever that's supposed to mean...Why not let the others read it and see if it's clear to them.

That's not how the majority of forums work if they have any semblance of order. It's fine if you find these classifications arbitrary, but almost all internet boards work like this. There are lots of reasonable arguments about censorship, but not following the community guidelines for posting in the right place is NOT censorship. Some reddit subs won't let your post go up if you don't follow their specific title format. Still NOT censorship.

alttrawl · 2021-02-08T00:00:02+00:00

Yes to this. Obviously, I wasted time trying to explain how the website works.

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T23:50:53+00:00

I don't drink and I've never bought alcohol, what's your point? Not doing those two things doesn't prevent people from learning. If that's your takeaway...

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T23:10:53+00:00

If your post still gets removed for being in the wrong category, isn't it better figure out why?

You read too much into it. I specifically mentioned the words wrong category. Same idea with a math problem. If you get the answer wrong and continue insisting on not figuring out the logic, do you expect to pass math class? Categories exist for a reason. This thread comes off to me as someone refusing to acknowledge that French red wines and Californian red wines deserve separate topics just because they don't see the difference. What if they scare off a prospective wine connoisseur by being so strict? /s

The need for separate topics becomes obvious once you take the time to learn the reasoning e.g. farming methods, but what is the point of arguing that most laymen can't tell the difference so what's the point of having separate categories?

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T22:58:45+00:00

The thread I created (that was deleted) was an article could have been linked to GC...It's not as if the article was completely unrelated to gender extremism.

If the source material itself isn't clearly gc to begin with and you don't frame it as a discussion where you point out the less than obvious connection as you have here, then it may be removed. I'm sure if you posted a discussion where you linked the article and wrote your reasoning it would have passed. It's unfortunate you weren't able to see the sidebar on mobile. Yes, the mod who replied to me did come off a little curt when I asked why my post didn't meet the criteria, but I didn't take it personally. I'm sure they're busy removing trolls. It's fine that you dislike the site format and prefer saidit instead but most people want this kind of site format. Originally, these were separate subreddits that were all banned together.

THIS also, particularly at this moment in time- women are being censored for the most minor "infractions" on various platforms. Deleting entire threads for being slightly off topic seems self-defeating when one reflects on what the larger end goal of the entire website/platform is.

Well, it's also important to maintain an orderly site so users can have some certainty that when they click gc they'll get gc discourse and not discussions about women's healthcare. If you try hard enough, anything in women's liberation can be related to gc, it depends on the angle e.g. posting an article about women being misdiagnosed for a certain condition without an obvious connection vs. a discussion containing a link to the article that includes your writeup of why this is relevant

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T22:38:49+00:00

As someone else mentioned here in this thread, some people get tired of seeing nothing but gender critical posts when they want to have general feminism discussions. It makes sense then to split the topics for a majority of people. For those who disagree with the site format, that's fine too, but it's not "censorship" to have posting categories. Most internet forums with active mods operate this way in order to maintain order.

Moreover, again in my view and only in my view, the way ovarit is set up discourages - even prohibits - thinking and posting in a "big picture" way that seeks to find and explore connections between phenomena that might appear to be separate at first glance when looked at superficially but which are actually linked.

I think you are mistaking the topic split for a ban on discussions touching on other topics. No one is banning anyone for making "big picture" comments, you absolutely can talk about general feminism in gc, but if the source material itself is not gc to begin with and you don't frame it as a discussion where you point out the less than obvious connection, then it may be removed.

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T02:21:33+00:00

As someone who as been there since the beginning, circles is a place to check user demand for new circles and suggestions is for tech related site suggestions.

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T02:18:22+00:00

Yes!

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T02:15:15+00:00

Before GC reddit got banned, I also used to felt the focus on TIMs was really annoying/overwhelming, it came to the point where the entire front page was all about TIMs and memes. I originally joined GC to find a community discussion on feminism that focused on women/ oppression of poor women,

This is why there are now separate categories for all of those.

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T01:58:46+00:00

It's ridiculous to have to ask permission from every mod in every possible circle to inquire as to which "circle" your post is allowed to be in.

Of course, read the sidebar first. If your post still gets removed for being in the wrong category, isn't it better figure out why?

Most of the categories overlap...I think my post could have been applicable to GC, as the tactics used on the women mentioned are almost identical to some of the "scenarios" the gender extremists love to dream up about what they want to do to "terfs".

That's like saying it's a feminism board so you can post in any of the feminism circles. It's more important to ask what properties does this circle have that the other doesn't. Process of elimination questions I'd ask myself before posting on gender critical vs. women's liberation are

1) Is this unequivocally GC? i.e. ACLU declares TWAW

2) Does this specifically mention gender critical content in a larger context? i.e. censorship article mentioning gender critical or someone who has expressed gc views is now being attacked

3) GC discussions

All other feminism goes in women's liberation. I don't know what your post was, but perhaps if you framed it as a discussion where you pointed out why this was GC related rather than posting an article where the connection is stronger to another circle it would have passed. If it's too tangentially related to GC, i.e. a TRA appears in an article but it's not about gc, I would post it as discussion instead of the article.

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T01:37:15+00:00

Fyi, gender critical is specifically for gender critical content, women's liberation is for general feminism, women is for anything you want to talk about, and radfemmery is for memes. Nametheproblem points out misogyny, Translogic mainly has screenshots of translogic for posterity, and itsafetish points out AGPs.

alttrawl · 2021-02-07T01:27:53+00:00

I've had multiple multiple posts deleted because they were in the "wrong circle".

I've had 2-3 posts deleted before for being in the wrong category or not meeting the standards written in the sidebar. I politely asked why in a private message, and they explained it to me. There's no need to take it personally. Read the sidebar or ask questions if you don't understand how the circles differ instead of "criticizing" their censorship. If they made rule exceptions for everyone new, it'd be a mess.

It's not censorship when you can repost under the correct category, and it's not power-tripping to make a website organized. Fyi, gender critical is specifically for gender critical content, women's liberation is for general feminism, women is for general topics that don't have a circle, and radfemmery is for memes.

alttrawl · 2021-01-26T06:20:53+00:00

https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/15728/another-central-outlier-rachel-mckinnon-the-glinner-update

alttrawl · 2021-01-14T02:04:46+00:00

https://www.ovarit.com/o/FeministVideos/14800/vanessa-vokey-gender-critical-autistic-feminist-let-s-send-her-love

alttrawl · 2020-12-09T07:16:11+00:00

https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2019/08/atlantic-hires-kaitlyn-tiffany/596329/

She's from Vox.

alttrawl · 2020-10-30T01:39:16+00:00

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/bbc-no-bias-rules-prevent-staff-joining-lgbt-pride-protests

The new director general said when he took over that he wanted to change how some BBC journalists use their personal accounts on platforms such as Twitter. “If you want to be an opinionated columnist or a partisan campaigner on social media, then that is a valid choice, but you should not be working at the BBC,” he said.

https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/8056/bbc-staff-told-not-to-attend-political-protests-including-pride

alttrawl · 2020-10-21T07:06:09+00:00

I don't follow French feminism news, so don't quote me, but the fly-posting sounds like the same group of GC feminists active in France. One of them had her art exhibit about domestic violence hijacked by TRAs. It's probably not about the drawings specifically, but criticism of the religion in general. There's a video on youtube of French feminists confronting Muslim men about why there were only men hanging out in public spaces. All the women seen passing by wore the full niqab, and the men were saying that this was their culture. Many people are using the term parallel societies when they describe this.

alttrawl · 2020-10-20T03:40:37+00:00

Demi Levato came out as queer last week.

alttrawl · 2020-10-19T05:10:14+00:00

Buzzfeed's Gaby Dunn is lesbian if I recall correctly whose digital schtick was being woke. She also featured in an article complaining about how difficult it was for her to wait tables since she was so famous yet poor.

alttrawl · 2020-10-16T09:50:48+00:00

https://theysaythisneverhappens.tumblr.com/

https://thatkindoffeminist.tumblr.com/post/621478703434760192/phrases-slogans-and-symbols-which-the-trans

alttrawl · 2020-10-08T01:53:54+00:00

Blair White has come out and said they don't care what pronouns people use but would prefer to be called she/her. You're trying to tone-police women in a space where we're already aware that the language we use to describe ourselves is under attack. Some GC women will say she/her, and others won't because ask for she/her and next thing you know TWAW in every way and you get a visit from the police for misgendering hate speech. You mentioned you are trans elsewhere so I get that you're invested in pronouns, but I respectfully disagree.

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