Feeling guilt

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[–]SweetBabyCheeses 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

“Alice Dreger and others who research autogynephillia have shown that it is more than an erotic paraphillia, it also contains a romantic type of love. So we can’t write it off as a fetish.” What does this mean please? A romantic type of love for what? Of being the the opposite sex?

“there is a group of people who feel a desperate need to socially and medically transition and whose lives are improved by transition”. I feel like these people are living in a fantasy world. They’d be better off accepting and learning to love themselves as they are. There’s no such thing as socially transitioning unless you mean acting out enough gender stereotypes (eg for men, long hair, make-up, high heels) that some people start to try to address them as female out of politeness. Any kind of delusion that they’re “passing” is just that, a delusion. Medically transitioning is even more problematic. I don’t know how any ethical surgeon can mutilate healthy bodies. Again, it also make a mockery of female stereotypes. Even without the surgery it’s not a transition from a to b, it’s still a lifetime of daily medication?

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Alice Dreger and others who research autogynephillia have shown that it is more than an erotic paraphillia, it also contains a romantic type of love. So we can’t write it off as a fetish.” What does this mean please? A romantic type of love for what? Of being the the opposite sex?

Saying "it is more than an erotic paraphilia" doesn't mean it's no longer an erotic paraphilia. A cake without frosting on it is still a cake.

The romantic love these men have is love of their own selves imagined as female. Romantic and erotic feelings are closely intertwined, particularly in men.

AGP is at once a male erotic paraphilia, an expression of male narcissism and a form of usually obsessive, all-consuming romantic love of a man for himself imagined as female. AGPs either have full-blown narcissistic personality disorder, or very pronounced narcissistic traits that run deep.

Ray Blanchard has pointed out that AGPs' anger toward women and their sense of entitlement comes from their narcissism, not just from misogyny and their status as males in patriarchy. Here's another sexologist Anne Lawrence, who is an AGP "transwoman," on narcissistic rage in AGPs:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5420510_Shame_and_Narcissistic_Rage_in_Autogynephilic_Transsexualism

An illuminating twitter thread by another AGP: https://twitter.com/PeanutButterRo2/status/1083654785910427649

[–]Skipdip[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A romantic love of oneself as a woman. She says it’s essentially a sexual orientation, immutable.. and similar to James cantor, she says pedophilia is a sexual orientation.

My suspicion is that these things are currently as immutable as sexual orientations because we don’t yet have the tools to heal the underlying dysregulation/disorder that caused them.

“I don’t know how any ethical surgeon can multilate healthy bodies” um... literally every plastic surgeon? Lol. I honestly feel like plastic surgery and body mod in general is out of control in our culture. I feel like it’s a way for people to exercise control over their bodies, and often points to a mind/body split.

Overall I agree with you. Thanks for your response