NYC Plastic Surgeon Says He's Training US Army Docs to Do Facial Feminization Surgeries on Male Troops

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[–]peaked2020 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because there’s a difference between a surgery that aims to produce a different sexual organ and a cosmetic surgery that’s just supposed to make the person more attractive. That doesn’t go away simply because it’s not the same as a born organ.

Having a certain brow ridge or lip shape is something that happens to born women too and they don’t be t surgery. There is a difference between a trans woman wanting a nose job and a trans woman wanting to have their dick removed. Acting like these are exactly the same is absurd.

This is where radfems lose a lot of people, being so anti-trans that they take a reasonable argument and shift it to the unreasonable.

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because there’s a difference between a surgery that aims to produce a different sexual organ and a cosmetic surgery that’s just supposed to make the person more attractive.

There is no surgery that is aiming to produce sexual organs (at least yet), it is only making cosmetic changes to look similar to a sexual organ, and that is it. This surgery is aimed to make person's body more attractive to themselves.

and shift it to the unreasonable.

Unreasonable is to do those surgeries on tax payers cost, while banning women's health issue initiatives and making abortions outlawed. PCOS women suferring for a long time now, but they are not helped on tax payers money, and PCOS not even researched by any country, it is mostly done by charity organizations. Unreasonable is that women who survived acid attacks or "are ugly" or "with almost no breasts" can not do such surgeries even on their own cost often enough, not even saying about doing that on tax payers cost, and here you want same surgeries but for men who want to look like a woman you want it for free (on tax payers cost).

Unreasonable is to say that after removal of adam's apple and putting breast implants is "sex change" and will make that straight person "lesbian" and give them legit right to terrorize lesbians - which is homophobia, as sexuality is innate and lesbian even if will want to get aroused by them - will not be able to, just physically. And yet, lesbians are "the wrong" and almost lost all of their spaces and events (except underground ones or closed ones). And no one is giving any help to them on tax payers cost.

That is what is unreasonable and must be adressed. Taxpayers money should go on surgeries to people who will die if not receive surgeries, not on making someone feel a bit better in their own mind.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You didn't answer my question, which - I repeat - was

Can you explain why you think funding some of these cosmetic surgeries is "understandable" for the military to do these at taxpayers' expense but others are not?

You said

There is a difference between a trans woman wanting a nose job and a trans woman wanting to have their dick removed. Acting like these are exactly the same is absurd.

This is where radfems lose a lot of people, being so anti-trans that they take a reasonable argument and shift it to the unreasonable.

Why is it unreasonable to ask whether the military should perform non-necessary nose jobs, dick removal surgeries and other cosmetic procedures on male members of the armed services at taxpayers' expense?

BTW, neither I nor anyone else said all these surgeries are "exactly the same." They're clearly different. What they have in common is that there is no medical or therapeutic reason for any of them. They are all elective, luxury, fashion accessory surgeries meant to meet the individualistic, narcissistic sexual desires of males with particular paraphilias and proclivities.

What national security aims are met by performing any or all such surgeries on military men? Why should taxpayers be funding this?