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[–][deleted] 57 insightful - 1 fun57 insightful - 0 fun58 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

This makes me so angry. The science clearly doesn't support anything, sex is NOT a spectrum, it's binary with rare medical outliers. TRAs are using intersex people as a shield yet again. The rest of the science on the benefits of transitioning is either unknown or unsupportive, so why are people and institutions who should know better denying reality? Like lemmings all rushing towards the cliff. We know the important thing which is, they are not biologically women, so they are not women. Whatever the science says about transitioning, what's that got to do with erasing women as a category and the rights that we fought for?

"the entire transgender community (is) one that disproportionately suffers from violence, discrimination, harassment, and exclusion and, as a result, experiences high rates of suicide, suicide attempts, homelessness, and mental and bodily harm."

Reality doesn't work that way. Women are oppressed too, it doesn't mean they'll combine categories with men. Substitute the words transgender community for men and continue to say that feminism is harmful to men. Add in the liberal men telling women what feminism should look like and how uneducated or too stupid to learn women are for not agreeing with them. Sure sounds like an incel, MRA movement.

[–]sisterinsomnia 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Agreed on all grounds. Besides, in practice it is hard to separate the various reasons for greater trans suicide or suicide attempts, homelessness and mental and bodily harm. They may not be caused only by how others treat them but also by feelings of dysphoria and related issues.

In any case, those who commit the violent acts, harassment etc. against transgender people are mostly not women.

[–]lefterfield 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's also no correlation between being part of an oppressed group and higher rates of suicide. The correlation is with mental health issues, nothing else.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Say it louder for the people in the back, please!

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's no evidence that trans people have greater rates of suicide attempts, completed suicides, homelessness, or mental and bodily harm. These are all simply claims and assertions made by people who ID as trans & their advocates.

People who ID as trans are not reliable sources of this sort of info cuz a) self-reporting about mental health conditions & suicide ideation & attempts by anyone is never reliable; b) everybody lies, as Dr House often pointed out; c) people who ID as trans are already basing their lives on a lie, so telling more lies comes easily to them; d) the vast majority of people who ID as trans have other "co-morbid" mental health issues; e) amongst people who ID as trans, an unusually high % have personality disorders.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This is so true. There was someone who pointed out that what people called a trans murder epidemic in the whole UK during a certain year was four murders.

[–]Marsupial 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is data to suggest that the trans population is the safest population there is, and that they have a lower murder rate and lower exposure to violence than most other groups, with the exception of the sub-group of trans people who are involved in prostitution. The most vulnerable population is women of color.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the UK, studies showed that TIMs are more likely to be murderers than murdered.

[–]zephyranthes 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are stats for children's suicides. The outliers are lesbian girls, for whom the risk is nearly double the baseline. Trans-identified boys are the same as normal boys. (The difference from adult suicide stats, where men are more at risk, is because adult men are more likely to use a gun.)

[–]luckystar 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The suicide point drives me crazy. AFAIK people with other major mental illnesses such as borderline and schizophrenia also have very high suicide attempt rates, should we blame society for that too? What happened to "It isn't your fault, he was fighting his own demons, there is nothing you could have done" which is what we say when anybody else commits suicide? Why are ONLY trans people allowed to use their poor mental health to emotionally blackmail the rest of society?

It's also absurd because if bullying or discrimination was the sole/primary cause of the suicides, then why aren't other marginalized groups committing suicide at similar rates?

[–]INeedSomeTime 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

To my knowledge their high rate of suicide is explained with severity of their gender dysphoria also... but then what about people with body dysmorphia?