Logical Fallacies - Is brining up false rape accusations when talking about rape a red herring?

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[–]motionlessoracle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Let's have a chat when somebody "goes public" on you or somebody you love and you witness the absolute, batshit, full scale harassment and fuckery that occurs. If you've never been on the receiving end of a internet harassment campaign, I have. It's terrifying. (No, I didn't do anything to deserve it.)

One you release the mob, you lose control of it. You can't call it back. I think such an action should be the absolute last resort of a woman who has been thoroughly ignored.

I agree 100% that the justice system has been horrible to women attempting to file rape and sexual assault charges. The women who do actually get to go to court wind up reliving their trauma and having their character smeared all over (as if sexual assault is excused if nobody likes you). It's why I never sought justice for my own sexual assault.

All I'm saying is that social media mob justice has a way of being more mob than justice, and I understand why men would be terrified of a false accusation or a minor event being blown out of proportion.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Regardless of what happened to you, I'm not sad that the women went public on the high power men that harassed, assaulted, and raped them. If you want have you have to go public. I don't see how else things change. You didn't seek justice for you assault because it was too hard for you, and I don't mean to judge, but if we all just sit down and shut up when it happens, nothing changes.

I mean, are you really putting the call out that happened to you (if you didn't deserve it) to someone like Weinstein or Epstein or any millionaire media mogul scrote?

Call outs happen to everybody - look at the Karen videos, it's not just men either.

[–]motionlessoracle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I object to call out/cancel culture. Period.

Talking to people privately, settling differences privately, handling issues internally is where almost everything should start. If those methods fail, bump it up a notch and try again. To me, that's how rational, mature, adults handle problems.

What I see happening now is that people immediately jump to the most damaging, sensational method of receiving justice. They appeal directly to mobs to harm other people.

I read a Twitter thread about a BLM protestor who was asking the mob to identify a "Karen". The white woman was in her car and had come across a place where protestors were blocking the road and not letting traffic pass. (It is not legal to block traffic, btw, unless you have a permit.) The white woman attempted to drive through a gas station to bypass the protest. The protestors surrounded her car and began beating on the windows, shouting at her. She was surely terrified. To try to escape, she let her car creep forward slowly. Eventually, the police arrived and helped the white woman get on her way. The BLM protestor was outraged that the police had let "Karen" go when she had tried to "kill people" with her car.

It was full on stupid. If you surround a car and start harassing the occupant, expect to get run over. It might even be considered self defense in a court of law. The white woman was doing everything in her power to both escape a scary situation and hurt nobody. Yet the frustrated protestors are now plastering her photos all over Twitter and encouraging people to hunt her down and harass her more. If people cannot see that this is evil, that this is not about justice but revenge, then I despair.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cancel/harassment culture works both ways. Both victims as well as perpetrators are targeted.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rape victims are often on the receiving of such harassment campaigns. Remember the woman who reported Julian Assange's behavior? They never officially accused him of rape, but merely expressed their concerns to the police. They had to go into hiding due to death threats.