Farewell, GCdebatesQT

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[–]DistantGlimmer 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm another refugee. It was a unique and very interesting space Actually ended up convincing me more of GC beliefs to learn how empty and illogical the opposing ideology actually is. I really do feel like someone living in a religiously conservative country who doesn't accept the state religion but questioning it is not allowed. We had a great group of super-intelligent people in the debate sub. I enjoyed talking to them about things that weren't even part of the main topic.

Hope our alternative here gets more of the old crowd to trickle over. It's pretty quiet right now.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's very quiet. I was excited when everyone at least came over to say they were there, but it's been crickets since then.

[–]DistantGlimmer 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

One issue I think is that while I still feel sympathy for dysphoric people who are just trying to cope with that I will have a hard time looking past that these TRAs have been gleefuly celebrating us losing our spaces and want us to feel isolated and scared like this. It's something that goes beyond mere disagreement and it'll be hard if TRAs come back in there to go along with the pretense that they don't just hate GC for existing and they actually want to debate

You're more moderate so I'm curious how you feel about this. Is a real debate even possible when TRA's don't even recognize GC's right to exist? (yes I'm deliberately turning their own language back on them). .

[–]worried19 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We never really had that many hardcore TRA types to begin with. A few here and there, but most didn't stay for long. I'd say the majority of our regular trans posters were at least transmedicalists, and thus more willing to have discussions. They know what it's like to be cancelled within their own community, so I feel like they were always more open. I can't imagine any of them celebrating the fact that we got banned.

As far as new people are concerned, I'm happy to have the dialogue, but we've got to find QT people who are willing to debate. Or who at least think the issues are worthy of thoughtful consideration. I feel like a lot of the younger ones are just about shouting slogans and are not interested in critical thought. But there must be moderates out there. Their voices just aren't as loud.

[–]DistantGlimmer 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The thing is though after main GC was banned I peeked into the truscum group to get their reaction hoping they'd at least be a bit sympathetic for the reason you said but they were mostly all celebrating "TERFs getting owned" just like the other ones. I agree with you there are a lot of issues we could have a genuine debate and discussion about and promote deeper understanding of both sides but both sides have to genuinely want that.I don't know, I am just so angry and disgusted with the trans community right now I guess some are just genuinely affraid to speak up but a lot seem genuinely happy that we are silenced.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure you're right. If things keep going the way they are, I guess they'll figure out soon enough that no amount of moderation is considered acceptable. It probably won't hit them until their own sub gets banned.

I do believe there are people who are willing to debate and that it's possible to convince them that our side has legitimate concerns. The main issue is finding them.