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[–]fuckingsealions 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

A lot of it is in literal bone structure, apparently.

https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/forensic-facial-reconstruction/0/steps/25656

https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/

I've been thinking about this a lot lately because this sub introduced me to Jazz Jennings, who I would still nail as a boy/man, despite things like puberty blockers.

[–]Bitchcraft 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Jazz Jennings, who I would still nail as a boy/man

What gives it away for you? I couldn't tell.

[–]fuckingsealions 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ok this is where I admit it gets tricky and vague. I cannot bring myself to dissect a person with lines and arrows a la Perez Hilton or those plastic surgery sites (and I know you didn't ask for that), but I think there's something in the forehead/brow, and kind of a blockiness overall in the face. https://soapdirt.com/i-am-jazz-spoilers-jazz-jennings-scary-post-surgery-pop-second-operation-needed-asap/

Jazz simply looks like and reminds me of a lot of boys I've known who do present as masculine/male. I see a lot of it in candid photos as opposed to posed pictures.

I'm not trying to slam Jazz's appearance. This is a very feminine-presenting person, and I don't think everyone should get to one side like you're Barbie or Ken. But something pops for me, even in earlier-transitioning youth (like the Sports Illustrated model). It's ok, it is what it is. It's just that subtle thing.

I googled Valentina Sampao last night, and similar issue. Pap photos on the street or runway--looks male. Posed modeling photos--very female. Again it's in the brow and blocky face. A lot of men causally frown in a way that intensifies it and makes them look angrier than a woman intentionally frowning imo because of that heavy brow.

[–]Badmammajamma 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I took a human evolution and biology class in college years ago and we had to identify the sex of human bones. If a skull had brow ridges, it was male. Human men still have those heavier brow ridges.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know what you mean, I usually see it right around the brow bone too. It's that T section where the bridge of the nose is met between the eyes. When they start having surgery there, they start looking like post-menopausal women that have had a facelift, where it gets weird and sunken in-y (like Jeffrey Star--who isn't trans at all, but just an example).

[–]fuckingsealions 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh interesting! I haven't looked at Starr for years. I really see the comparison to older women who've had a lot of work done.