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[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Welcome to the Great Tectonic Shift. I think John McWhorter (linguist at Columbia, I'm a fan of his podcasts) said it best when he described himself as a "cranky classic liberal" who now finds himself a centrist-verging-on-conservative, because the whole terrain shifted underneath him. I'm GenX and pretty staunchly independent, but I've experienced a similar sensation -- my basic ethos is the same, but I'm labeled very differently now by detractors.

I've been trying to put together some kind of mental narrative around how all of this changed so suddenly . . . some r/GC users helped fill in the blanks recently. Mini data-set:

  • Social media goes mainstream, 2008-ish

  • Obergefell v. Hodges (LGB marriage equality), 2015

  • Caitlyn Jenner comes out as trans, 2015

There seems to be a general feeling that 2015 (in the US) was the year that TRA and ideological purity really leapt to the fore in media and liberal online spaces. The alarming part, as you mention, is that critical thinking seems to have simultaneously gone down the shitter, and there's this naive sense that "only the Right can be authoritarian" (Stalin much?) and other baseless weirdness.

I'm hoping it's mostly a novel combination of social media saturation and righteous idealism. But as it's affecting health policy, research, and now (in a very visible way) women's rights and free speech and publishing and God knows what else, screw it.

[–]GenderCriticalOnly 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Not to go too ridiculous, but years ago back in the Harry Potter fandom we used to discuss whether you could have a Hufflepuff dystopia (imagining Voldemort being sorted into the different houses and still rising to power was very much the thing at the time), and what that would look like. A lot of people seemed to have the idea that you couldn’t have one: that values of equality and fairness and hard work and loyalty somehow couldn’t be corrupted this way. The power of friendship and niceness, right?

I not only disagreed, I was fairly sure it would be the hardest dystopia to fight against, and the most completely intrusive. If people value knowledge and reason, you can reason with them and find facts. If people value courage, you can impress them by standing up for something. If people value power and influence, you can convince them by appealing to their self-interest.

[–]Takseen 13 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

I always imagine Dolores Umbridge forcing Harry Potter to write "transwomen are women" instead of "I must not tell lies". Got that same authoritarian mantra feeling to it.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Brilliant! Wouldn't have thought of that, but yeah -- what better place to breed extremism than a group with a code of fairness, equality, hard work, loyalty? That's actually really creepy and plausible.

[–]Moirawr 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For me, and maybe others, in 2014 Leelah Alcorn committed suicide in a very public and devastating way. It got my attention and pushed me to seek out trans stuff. It was (at least what I was hearing back then) exactly the same as gay rights rhetoric. It’s who they are, they can’t change it, denying it makes them suicidal. All very emotional reasons, it was a seamless transition (no pun intended). Problem is none of the logic came with it and the illusion fell apart pretty quick for me. I honestly don’t understand how people are still going along with it at this point... how it got this far when it all crumbles at a glance.

[–]hellamomzilla 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Money from transidentifying wealthy males. Rothblatt and Pritzer.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. I just read about Leelah -- what a hideous mix of things to suffer as teen. I can see how that would create an unassailable narrative in support of trans issues.

[–]courage2courage 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Regarding social media, I think Tumblr especially has a lot to answer for.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've heard the same . . . was never on Tumblr, but I believe it.