Both: How do you feel about the terms "female man", "male man", "female woman", and "male woman"?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Female man and male woman are both oxymorons

Male man and female woman are both redundant

[–]comradeconradical[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Redundant and cumbersome, yes, though I'd argue no moreso than cis and trans.

Oxymorons, I agree as I don't personally think gender exists beyond people's biases, but I thought maybe it would make it clearer when discussing, say, transwomen in women's sports. But I guess in the end it is just word play lol

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

but I thought maybe it would make it clearer when discussing, say, transwomen in women's sports

See that’s what bothers me. Not about you lol, but the subject.

We could have just kept saying women and transwomen. That’s the compromise. That’s the language that makes everything clear. And it’s actually honest language. This is why I said they can’t be satisfied so why try. We had terminology that made this conversation clear and easy to have. But they keep pushing to ignore the truth and force the rest of us to and it’s just ridiculous. I’m at a point now where unless I’m on this sub I don’t even use the words “transwoman” or “transman”. I call everyone exactly what they factually are.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Basically, I think even if we used the terms “male women” and “female women” (and the equivalent for men), it won’t matter to the 99, and the 1% will eventually argue that male women are actually female women and then yet another term will have to be made to differentiate and then the cycle repeats. They will never let women be women and men be men.

Edit- typo