GC: I believe if features are sexed, and secondary sex characteristics are innate to a man or a woman, then sex is determined by secondary sex characteristics and the gender essentialism that tras believe in is true. If you disagree, then tell me your reasons

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

How are humans made?

And how does that answer fit into your beliefs?

Also- it wasn’t obvious you were on the fence. It was obvious that you leaned qt and weren’t interested in anything gc had to say. People on the fence tend to engage when they ask questions. When I first started participating in the old sub I was on the fence. I posted asking all of my questions and explained my reasoning for having those questions, and turned gc after both qt and gc responded and I engaged with them. You linked comments defending qt theory and then... nothing. You engaged once and said both gc commenters (myself and someone else) made sense. But here you are qt as can be lol. Because despite you knowing it makes no fucking sense, that’s where you want to be. You’re either trans or sheep. Have fun with that willful ignorance. I hope you’re male, because if not, you’re complicit in your own dehumanization and oppression. Enjoy it I guess, but be warned- if you’re female, tras will turn on you and guilt trip you about everything and you’ll never be able to keep up with their ideology or demands of you. But at least you can call yourself woke

[–]MissDimples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You edited your comment and I didn't see the longer text below the first few lines. Even if I am qt, and not on the fence like I consider myself to be, I came here because I am interested in being convinced by GC to change my position.

I get lazy sometimes due to the depression, and don't wish to write a whole essay to explain my reasoning, excuse me but I barely care about getting out of bed, don't see how you can expect me not to be lazy, so I linked posts from tqs that would do the job well enough and said the same things I would, which you didn't like. So I wrote an essay explaining myself like you wanted here. But you still don't like it.

I'm female and aware of trans women getting in women spaces and sports, but I don't really care about being "dehumanized". I'm an animal, not anything special, and don't believe I can be "dehumanized". The reason I came to be convinced of GC is because I feel there's something missing. I only know the tq arguments and don't understand GC, but wish to, but if tq wanted to debate me, they would win the argument and I would lose because I only know their line of thinking.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I get lazy sometimes due to the depression, and don't wish to write a whole essay to explain my reasoning, excuse me but I barely care about getting out of bed, don't see how you can expect me not to be lazy

Lots of people posting on social media are clinically depressed, some to the point of near-catatonia; many are dealing with severe physical disabilities and diseases; some are even terminally ill. But that doesn't change the fact that anyone posting on debate subs - and especially starting debate threads - should be expected to put the time and effort in to explain their reasoning.

[–]MissDimples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I did put time and effort in to explain myself like the first post I made here, again, so can we stop talking about what I did a few days ago when now you don't see me doing that? Also, wow, all these people on social media are disabled and depressed but have so much energy to explain themselves, almost makes it look like they are lying about their depression and disability or they are just not as depressed and disabled as they claim

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

wow, all these people on social media are disabled and depressed but have so much energy to explain themselves, almost makes it look like they are lying about their depression and disability or they are just not as depressed and disabled as they claim

I didn't say that lots of people posting on social media are saying they are depressed, disabled, seriously ill; I said they actually are. Distinctions seems to be lost on you.

[–]MissDimples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My bad then. But how do you know they are actually depressed, disabled, or seriously ill? Do they post photos of themselves? I don't know. If they are depressed and disabled, but have the energy to write anything longer than two sentences, then more power to them. Today I listened to your and lovesloane's advice. I was trying not to be lazy and actually put effort and time in my post, I did well don't you think?