Winning back the Internet by building our own

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[–]discountmeat 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Exactly this. They encourage us to fight them because it drains our creative energy. Fighting is a dead end. We succeed to freedom by creating, not fighting.

[–]LearnHistory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. "resist" may be a more accurate word than "fight". Creating is how to 'win'. Examples: not being on content-censored websites, not resisting a government and creating your own (in this case those who would be 'resisting': stop resisting by trying to improve their government and instead fight (but if that government had no power, there would be no need to fight).

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

This list is epic and gives me much hope for a backup internet should this one become inoperable, link from the article: https://personaltelco.net/wiki/WirelessCommunities

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    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    Well I've never seen this list before in my life, so thank you for the post. The bigger issue for me and I think this post is that the infrastructure is our blind spot. We trip out about social media networks, but if our ISPs start censoring us or reporting us or blocking ports, we're all fucked.

    [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    i've been looking at these, but don't know which is the best to invest time into. I live in a pretty low density area, so any peer to peer may be tricky

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    i hear you. but if the bat signal goes up, I think we're expected to reach 10mi or so at least. I trip out on search engines, I think that's everyone's huge blind spot.

    [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    were you around at the start?

    what is now usenet was all we had, (ignoring the pre-tcp/ip stack days) and 'web crawler' was pretty special when it arrived. Curated lists and chat boards may be a way to disseminate info.

    Have you had any thoughts? If we are building our own networks, then there must be out of the box searchable cataloging packages to use

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    No, I missed usenet and got started with AOL dial up. Stupid Apple. I should try it though.

    The only halfway non-web stuff I'm aware of is ZeroNet which seems like a great backup plan.

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Zeronet is not good. Again, users that seed CP without knowing are inviting TLAs to come and seize / disappear

    trust is the issue. You have to trust that everyone you are decentralising with is both a good actor, and it taking the right steps to ensure they are not sharing material that will get you gone.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The official ZN argument against your position is that you only seed the sites that you visit. Presumably if you acted in good faith you would be fine. I don't have enough experience with it to add any more than that though. I guess I need to give it a shot and more importantly to look into how these existing mesh networks are handling internal/non internet/non traditional DNS data sharing.

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I tried using it with the 8chan alternative, but the control over what boards got downloaded were pretty coarse.

    Also, any site that allows user content is going to be a liability. even with carefully curated sites, all it takes is a security slip and an actor could upload CP somewhere out of view, then sting you when you download the site to share

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      They're all FLOSS but the owners and managers and feds have a layer on top of that. An ISP that advertised as "no log" like VPNs do would be badass. But there's no real ISP competition for me in the US anyway, you have, best case scenario, 2 reasonable choices to pick from, and usually just 1.

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I just mean they're all running linux. I suppose their dirty layer on top isn't FLOSS.

        [–]Skipdip 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I love it! Thanks for sharing