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[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think that the no-virus group is caught in circular reasoning.
The same people with the same arguments referring to old experiments.
And assuming a simplified model of biology.

Viruses can be seen, stored and tracked. They can be observed in many ways.
But one need to use some tricks, because they are so small and can fall apart easily.
They need to be stored with living cells that are not fighting the viruses.

There are also prion diseases that are caused by much smaller biological components, wrong folded proteins.
And bad proteins are also present in ALS.
These proteins are even less visible.

From scientific point of view, the problem is that there is room for anyone to insert bias into the research. And due to the market of ideas, we only see promotion of the most extreme sides. So due to Big Pharma, there is also a bias in the virology that causes exaggeration of the harm. And there is a clear bias from Lanka to claim that there are no viruses.

The real scientific discussion is about how the bias affects the conclusions.
How viruses work exactly and how they only affect some people and not others.
The same with any disease.

There was research on how our psychological state causes change to our molecular messages.
And the message system is hijacked by viruses. So it also depends very much on your emotions and living conditions.

Our body is optimized for living in nature. This means that hunger and weather can even make us stronger.
Hunger can help your body to dispose of cancer and other "broken" cells.
And exposure to germs and other people makes us stronger.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Too small to be seen. But yeah that doesn't mean they don't exist.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So they are not invisible.

You can see the small viruses with microscopes using coloring agents.
Some viruses are bred with isotopes to keep track of them.
With better microscopes (electron microscopes, atomic force scanners) more details of viruses can be observed.
But using these microscopes also kill anything that is scanned.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

False. Post some pics.

But again that doesn't prove anything anyway.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The details of how the pics were made and what circumstances are relevant are indeed important.

Viruses enhanced with isotopes that spread and multiply in plants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mohioBMxE
Seems like a good project to start with. The method is non-destructive, which means that the cells and viruses can survive the microscope.

I saw "terrain theory" criticism on that "it was not a severe disease",
but not that there were no viruses.

Viruses that are engineered in the lab to modify genes is also well-known.
So this means that some kind of biological entity exists that can modify our genes.
And this same entity can also reproduce using the same cells.