Where to Move

submitted by fschmidt from self.ConservativeExodus

I will use an example to explain the kind of place that I think should be considered as a place to move. My example is San Sebastián in Mexico. Now I will explain my criteria for choosing this example.

Mexico is an obvious choice for a country. It is right next to America so Americans can just drive there. It is corrupt and chaotic, so local police can be bribed in order to preserve freedom. The global elite control all national government, so the only means of protection from them is local corruption.

San Sebastián is a small town. One wants a town that is small enough so that it isn't too expensive to influence local politics. In a small town, conservative expats can have a significant influence.

San Sebastián is 1.5 hours drive from Puerto Vallarta. This has an international airport, modern shopping, and a large expat community. One wants a town where such things aren't too far.

San Sebastián currently has no expats. We don't want leftist expats at all since they would cause nothing but trouble.

San Sebastián should have a good climate. At an elevation of 1400 meters, I would expect good temperatures, not too hot or too cold. The area also looks very green, so is pleasant to look at and should be good for agriculture.

San Sebastián is a tourist town which is a plus because it means restaurants and hotels. It is also a pretty town.

I am just using San Sebastián as an example. I have never been there and have no idea if it is actually good. But I am using it as an example of the kind of things that I think we should be looking for in a place to move to.

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[–]Drewski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

James Corbett recently addressed this topic, recommend giving it a watch: Where Can We Run To? - Questions For Corbett #072

[–]GpCaptLionelMandrake 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

At 7:42, he says "I don't like the idea... of just moving to try to avoid the new world order. It is a global idea. It is going to come".

I do not doubt this. Mr Corbett has been researching and explaining the new world order for some years. But he says in the video that he moved to Japan 16 years ago, so he must have seen some advantage there.

My question for those still undecided: do you think your chances are better where you are?

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    [–]GpCaptLionelMandrake 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Good question and good info too. I recall seeing that video previously and he is right it is an important point. It is very difficult to just up and move. Culture shock, etc. Others say you have to stay and fight. I don't know if they mean politically fight or literally war-like fight. I don't think we can win a literal war even though conservatives are loaded up with weapons,

    Perhaps a better strategy would be to move and establish or join communities whose members can help each other survive hard times, providing a buffer against political repression and the negative influences of mainstream culture.

    I think finding American expats already established in an area would make it much easier.

    It seems that most of these Americans are retirees who move there for the lower cost of living and warm climate. I think shared values are the most important criterion for a good community. If religion is important to you, this could be a starting point.

    My wife is Vietnamese so I can probably gain some "protection" by appearing to be "woke".

    Maybe for a little while. How long do you think you can appease the woke mob? Anyway multiculturalism / anti-racism is only one of the left's divide-and-rule strategies.

    even if Biden was promising all this socialist stuff just to get elected, the fact is that the tide is quickly moving in that direction

    The Dems have a 'socialist' aspect - they promote redistribution and dependence on government - and that is in general bad, of course, but is not the worst part of their agenda, only a means to the end. What the left really wants is, and is well on the way to implementing, is a totalitarian corporate oligarchy. It is to rule by means of a social credit score system underpinned by total digital surveillance, elimination of all forms of individual and group liberty, destruction of religion, etc. China is the model.

    [–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Check out the recent news in

    https://www.vallartadaily.com/

    They seem to be fully embracing the covid tyranny:

    https://www.vallartadaily.com/five-businesses-in-puerto-vallarta-closed-for-violating-covid-19-regulations/

    https://www.vallartadaily.com/puerto-vallarta-mayor-outlines-new-restrictions-to-curb-covid-19-starting-friday/

    Where isn't?

    Belarus perhaps, where president Lukashenko says U.S. election is a mockery of democracy

    and is at least focusing on recoveries over cases and has been resistant to lockdowns

    [–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Covid insanity is almost everywhere. The state of Jalisco just ordered more Covid insanity. But will this be followed in small towns? I don't know. Someone has to go and check. The police in Mexico are local (city) and federal, not state. So if the local police don't enforce state law, it just doesn't matter. Of course the big cities will comply. The hope is in small towns.

    Belarus is a legitimate option. But it is far and the language is hard to learn. Still, I would encourage you to visit and report back.

    If this forum gets some activity, we should organize trips to visit possible locations. I have talked to one person who has the free time to visit places and who speaks Spanish and Russian. I can finance his trips and have him report back here.

    [–]GpCaptLionelMandrake 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Puerto Vallarta is a tourist city and has a large number of US expatriates, so this is not surprising. The OP was not promoting PV, but a town in its vicinity.

    Yes, covid tyranny is almost everywhere. Belarus seems to be an almost unique exception. They are also, seemingly miraculously, resisting the current West-sponsored colour revolution attempt.

    [–]shakadevirgem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Go to South America, somewhere like Brazil, Uruguay or Peru. Mexico's president is an actual socialist and there is a serious risk that he will ruin their economy and ally with drug dealers like Maduro and Fernandez did. I think Brazil is the best option because their population is in a conservative wave right now and their money devaluated a lot in the last 2 years. With 100.000 dollars you can buy a big farm with lots of cattle or an apartment in front of the beach.

    [–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Thanks for contributing here. I will give my view. Feel free to disagree.

    Brazil and Uruguay are out because they don't allow home schooling. I have never been to Peru (I have been to all the others), so I can't comment on it.

    The left-right divide in Latin America is very different from the West. I consider myself far right but I like many Latin American leftists because mostly they are just against globalism. I speak Spanish and so I can follow local politics directly. Mexico's president actually has a lot in common with Trump. He was accused of working with the Russians by the corrupt establishment. And he resisted covid insanity. He has done nothing authoritarian that I know of. And note that he is one of the few world leaders who has not yet accepted Biden's claim of winning. If you speak Spanish then I can look for some videos of him for you.

    [–]shakadevirgem 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I can understand a bit of Spanish and I would love to have more info on this. I do like mexico a lot, but I have a great fear of any government aligned with the Sao Paulo Forum. I really hope you are right and the guy is not so bad as I think.

    [–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Search YouTube for "amlo". Here he is on the American election:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzr_659HsI0

    And here he is defending freedom of speech:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Epz6NhlIy8

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      [–]shakadevirgem 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I had a friend from Argentina many years ago and I don't know how it is now but that is another possibility.

      Argentina is in a serious crisis right now, many people are moving away from the country. Their president is a crazy socialist that is imposing the biggest lockdown in the world. Their economy is going to shit. If they don't change their route they will be the next Venezuela.

      [–]GpCaptLionelMandrake 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      If you are familiar with the countries you mentioned, could you elaborate on specific regions or towns?

      [–]shakadevirgem 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I am familiar with Brazil and I know a bit about Uruguay. In Brazil, the best places are in the south of the country, in states like Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul and Paraná because they were colonized by germans and italians. It is super organized and clean, people in general are very polite and educated and the climate is much colder than the rest of Brazil. One of the great advantages of the south is that it is just next to the border, so you can easily cross legaly to Uruguay, Paraguay and Argentina to visit and buy things over there with a nice price. The best city in the south right now is Curitiba, it has a great quality of life.

      Minas Gerais is a little bit different, but is also very interesting. It's a very old part of brazil, with a more solid rural catholic tradition. There are many beautiful cities with lots of history, and is not very populated so the land is cheap.

      São Paulo is a giant megalopolis, with lots of opportunities, but also lots of problems. It is very modern and cosmopolite and receives immigrants from all parts of the world. It is an interesting place to go if you work with big business, but it is a tough place if you are poor.

      But the only place you should not go at all is Rio de Janeiro, the city is very expensive and is in a serious decline. It is similar to detroit during the decadence, with violence, crimes and unemployment. all previous governors of Rio were in jail for corruption and the current one is facing an impeachment. Rio is in a serious crisis and has no perspective of improving.

      There are already actual American settlements in Brazil, who established after the secession war in Americana and Santa Barbara do Oeste. They still maintain some of the culture and language, but I don't know how much they preserve.

      In Uruguay the best place is Punta del Este. It is a big touristic city with casinos, paradisiac beaches and rich people.

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        [–]GpCaptLionelMandrake 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        If you lean towards freedom, please consider your position carefully. There is still a strong normalcy bias for many conservative-leaning people, but conditions on the ground may change quickly. Expect this in the coming year.

        Indeed, terminology such as communist or whatever else is not indicative of reality now. There is only freedom and slavery. Only power matters now. Who has the power sets the terms of engagement.

        Ireland is a fascinating country with a rich spiritual heritage, but is not a place for freedom-loving people today.

        [–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Most political words have lost their meaning, and that includes "communist". So rather than use a word, I need to describe the future of America. And actually that is quite easy. America will become much like China. Private business will be allowed. Dissent will be ruthlessly suppressed. Dissidents will disappear. America will be a one party state and elections will only be for show.

        So the question is, do you want to live in this kind of society? I don't. I value freedom more than I value money.