In order to avoid thinking God maintains the universe, scientists are re-inventing physics because physics still doesn't work LOL

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It bothers me that we really don’t know shit. Most people live their lives thinking this is the pinnical of society.

Well we don’t know where we came from.

We don’t know where we’re going.

We don’t know what’s going on around us.

The stuff we see going on around us, we can not explain.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

...If you won't believe the truth from the Bible.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The Bible left out electricity, flying, and penicillin. I’m not sure how much truth is in the highly edited, and highly curated story book. It was written by man, and it has been edited by man, and it has been translated by man.

There may be a higher power, and I may believe in it; but I am highly skeptical of the Bible.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It was inspired and preserved by God and none of those other things you mentioned are necessary to know to understand he made and sustains everything.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yea. I dunno man. I disagree. You are stating opinions. I do not find your opinion compelling.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not opinion but ok

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of people have issues recognizing opinion vs fact. And they also have issues with forcing their opinion on other people.

People who are not satisfied until everyone is following what they say.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

There was just a video about how oscillations synch up on here. Reminds me of this.

I don't see this as a compelling reason, in itself, to believe in God. Physics was always just us guessing at how things worked. We're still trying to figure things out.

Although personally I do believe in God. I have no rational justification for that besides a feeling of occasionally being in the presence of something much greater than myself. Suppose that's faith.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some say that the belief in God is innate and that you have to rationalize atheism.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You are in a simulation controlled by demons. Avoid the light and anything else waiting for you after death, as it is a trap for reincarnation. All religion serves to cover this up and cause us to fall for those deceptions, and all atheism denies the truth by claiming, nonsensically, that everything can come from nothing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You are in a simulation controlled by demons.

all atheism denies the truth by claiming, nonsensically, that everything can come from nothing.

Your reasoning does not solve this conundrum, it just adds a level of abstraction.

If we are in a simulation it stands to reason that there must be real non-simulated base reality from which the simulations emerge. In order for this base reality to exist, you have the same chicken and the egg conundrum you do if you assume that our current reality is in fact the base reality.

There really isn't any logical framework that can escape this particular conundrum, but you have taken the same conundrum and added a level of complexity with a simulated layer of reality on top of the old problem. By Occam's razor this seems to be less probable, although there are some reasonable and quite convincing rationales for assuming we do in fact live in a simulation I admit (I object only to this particular rationale on its own being used to justify the theory, not your conclusion)

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Whether we are in base reality or not they are all simulations. Otherwise nothing objective and forced upon us could exist.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Again, I tend to agree with you, I think there is a high probability we do in fact live in a simulation, but I don't think I completely follow what you are saying here.

Whether we are in base reality or not they are all simulations.

Ok, but even if we are in a simulation, this infers the existence of a non-simulated reality somewhere right? Or else there could be no simulation.

Otherwise nothing objective and forced upon us could exist.

So now you are talking about a non-simulated reality, one you say must have certain conditions. So I think I am not understanding what you mean by 'they are all simulations', because this is what I meant by a 'base reality' - one which is not a simulation but that the simulations may exist in (in which case the problem of where this 'real' non-objective reality came from would still be present - it is something and can't have come from nothing).

I am also very curious about this non-objectivity requirement. What is it about 'reality' that means it must have this property? The 'base reality' being completely subjective might be the case, quantum physics shows us some interesting properties about observers and our current reality, but you are very adamant about this, and I don't think I completely understand your rationale here, or how you are getting from A to Z

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How can something be fed to you externally, especially forcefully, if there is no simulation?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How can something be fed to you externally, especially forcefully, if there is no simulation?

Again, I don't think I follow. It sounds like you have assumptions about the nature of what a non-simulated reality must necessarily be like. Are you suggesting we would not need caloric sustenance for energy and exert some sort of sovereign control that prevents force/coercion in a non-simulated reality? If so, what is it about the nature of non-simulated reality that makes this so? I like the sound of that, but what makes you think that this is the case?

You seem very strong in your convictions about this, I just want to understand what makes you so confident in your beliefs about the nature of reality

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's only logical. The only way around it is the idea that we're all one collective consciousness, which I consider socialist bs and intentionally engineered to keep us easy to subject.

And judging by the nature of its world, if the collective consciousness is real it must really hate itself. Far more likely that sadist archons are running it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Vulpkie, baby, honey, sweetie, I love you mangirl, but your head is full of neutrotic disorders.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You aren't wrong, but I'm aware. Perhaps too aware, which is what makes everything so painful.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

We're just preserving information. Our genetics and lineages encode and pass down repeatable systems. I don't think life beyond death is the continuation of the deceased individual. At all. But your information can live on.

I don't have children, doesn't look like we're able, but my familial code lives on. It's comforting.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Your familial code can't save you. Not any more than your dead body. Nor will it last forever, even if a very long time. But how is it comforting, when you won't even be around to see it? Or how does it matter when none of them are you?

Yet something has to happen with you. Otherwise you would be nothing more than an NPC, a very advanced robot. And do you really think even that would happen all by chance? But because of your programming you worship nature and its system to the point of submitting yourself as part of its make-believe collective. That is why you cannot see.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Your familial code can't save you

Does a bee worry about living forever? We are just a part of a whole.

Nor will it last forever,

So? A thing doesn't have to last forever to have value.

Or how does it matter when none of them are you?

Me dying one day sucks and all, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. There is something greater than our individual selves.

Otherwise you would be nothing more than an NPC

Eh, they still mostly all got past the gender selection screen :D

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Stop listening to that propaganda. It's devised by the elites and, ultimately, archons, to keep us subject and not fighting back against their corrupt and vile system. A whole is merely the sum of its individuals. There is no mystical collective consciousness or spirit. Your brain is wired to make you believe such for the purposes of natural selection. But you should not remain in this slavery. What are you pursuing? It's all meaningless, despite what society will tell you.

Also, bees are commies.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Explain how humans achieve a hive mind then? Admittedly, it's usually shitty when it happens but that the phenomenon can happen at all is amazing.

If we're capable of networking like that, then maybe we are just bees. Really self involved bees.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they're brainwashed by instincts and society. You said it yourself, it's not a good thing.

It rarely happens to me, if at all.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Are you saying god did a bad job?

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm saying people who believe in scientism have missed it badly

[–]bananafridge 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is a strange title, there's nothing even mentioning God in the article

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The logical alternative to all this handwaving maths is that God does as he says.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Or, they're a bunch of zealots for the science "god" who are incapable of believing their models are based on false assumptions. The electric universe model is far more convincing in my opinion. If you pay close attention to the scientists involved you will realize that they are as religious as the most devout Christian. Their bible just starts with a big bang instead of "let there be light".

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish the Electric Universe theory would get more serious attention. It sounds truthy to me for sure.