We are making an idol of the nuclear family

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[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

They will follow their parents for the first 10 years. But they are constantly observing their tribe in search of compatible authority figures. Once these authorities are found, children will learn from them instead.

They'll learn from all of them, but those first 10 years are still the most fundamental framework. They would have to legit decide differently for themselves.

Yeah, modern families aren't very useful. The original version was more helpful. The original idea. Not sure how many people have actually tried it.

Wdym?

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They'll learn from all of them, but those first 10 years are still the most fundamental framework. They would have to legit decide differently for themselves.

If the parents have no power in their society, children will instinctively avoid their advice.

Wdym?

Large families with many relatives, men and women do their own thing.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

If the parents have no power in their society, children will instinctively avoid their advice.

They live with them their whole childhood, of course they're going to listen to them.

Large families with many relatives, men and women do their own thing.

Everyone I know has many relatives. And what do you suggest is "their own thing"?

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They live with them their whole childhood, of course they're going to listen to them.

As long as the parents obediently repeat whatever the ruling party says, and even then, they won't necessary stay very close.

And what do you suggest is "their own thing"?

Internal matters, external matters, actually cultivating the relationship.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

As long as the parents obediently repeat whatever the ruling party says, and even then, they won't necessary stay very close.

No, everyone I know who buys the elites' bs does so because their parents also did. It's literally hardwired into children to cling to their parents, which never fully subsides even in adulthood.

Internal matters, external matters, actually cultivating the relationship.

Are you saying people should only marry within their family?

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No, everyone I know who buys the elites' bs does so because their parents also did. It's literally hardwired into children to cling to their parents, which never fully subsides even in adulthood.

I don't have the stats, but I keep seeing news and talks about children denouncing their parents.

Are you saying people should only marry within their family?

Where? No.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don't have the stats, but I keep seeing news and talks about children denouncing their parents.

Well then they're obviously in disagreement with their parents. Nothing you can do about that, elite brainwashing or not.

Where? No.

Then what did you mean by "Large families with many relatives, men and women do their own thing. Internal matters, external matters, actually cultivating the relationship."?

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Well then they're obviously in disagreement with their parents. Nothing you can do about that, elite brainwashing or not.

Ritualistically denouncing your parents on social media is a simple disagreement? Ok, some people are just dramatic.

Then what did you mean by "Large families with many relatives, men and women do their own thing. Internal matters, external matters, actually cultivating the relationship."?

You need resources from a big family to have freedom, flexibility, and enough voices to influence the world.

Men should be following male ways. Women should be following and developing female ways, not trying to become lesser males.

Love, when not cultivated by both parties won't last. Unless you are very lucky.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You need resources from a big family to have freedom, flexibility, and enough voices to influence the world.

There is one authentic family, God's family, which transcends biological relations. So much for that problem.

Men should be following male ways. Women should be following and developing female ways, not trying to become lesser males.

As defined by you I'm sure. And sorry, this has no support outside of pious forgeries and passages so obviously interpolated that simply reading the context exposes it. But Paul regularly had emotional outbursts, Jesus cooked for his disciples, meekness and turning the other cheek was praised for men, one of the first preachers was a woman, both sexes were taught to "put on the man" and be strong, and no one regarded women in high positions as an issue. These are all things that would've been seen as extremely degrading to a person's gender roles in the ancient world. There was not one set of values for one person and another for another. To make matters worse for you, this was stated explicitly sometimes, for example:

"There is no Jew or gentile, there is no slave or free, there is no male and female, because you are all one in Anointed Jesus." - Paul, Galatians 3:28. Note the different use of "and" in "male and female" which strongly indicates that he was quoting Genesis and included the popular ideas derived from it in his condemnation. If you read the full context, the whole passage is about how we are not to live by the law anymore and this was specifically called out. This is what Paul believed, and based on the actions in the gospels it strongly appears that Jesus would agree. Even Old Testament writers did not object to this.

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we are not to live by the law anymore

If you know the root of the law, you don't need its letter. Otherwise.