"No actual intelligent person in modern society can call themselves a Conservative or Liberal. If you call yourself either one, you're likely an idiot." Agree or Disagree?

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[–]Mcheetah[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Part 1

I honestly not even sure I should bother responding to you of all people, since you're the "niggers are subhuman trash" type I see on here all the time. I said before the only reason I don't block you is because I literally can't on here. Considering I already know where you stand and how you feel about me, I shouldn't even bother with this response. But I'll do it anyway, pretending you'll respond in good faith, though I doubt it.

This is a left wing understanding of conservatives. In reality being conservative has nothing to do with religion. ...Religion has nothing to do with conservatism.

I didn't make the rules of conservatism, nor am I on either side. I doubt if you asked other (Western) conservatives, they'd tell you it's okay to be a conservative and atheist. So it's not exactly me making the rules, here. I get what you're trying to say here, but no. That's not part of their rulebook anymore than being a Christian who doesn't believe in God still qualifies as a "Christian." I'm talking about Western First-world conservatives here, not the broad concept of wanting a family and a clean lifestyle.

Recognizing the evils that jews do is not "hating jews". That is a dismissive slander that implies that calling out jews is irrational, emotional, and unfair.

If you say so... "I don't hate the subhuman scum; I'm just trying to 'save them' from burning in Hell." Again, this coming from the same dude who has said so much fucked-up shit about African Americans on this site... Not even trying to bring up other shit, but like come the fuck on... Am I supposed to act like you never said that before? I already know how you think; I can't just ignore it in a vacuum. But getting back to your main retarded point of "not hating the trash; just hating their evil actions and behavior..." to excuse your bigotry. No; that shit doesn't fly. I don't even care about how you feel about Jews or anything else out of your old Boomer mouth; just calling you out on your shit. Nothing to even argue here; it's an illogical point you made. I guess all we can do is agree to disagree, here.

It is also completely divorced from political leanings as a lot of conservatives are just as brainwashed on the Jewish topic as liberals, and many liberals recognize Jewish crimes like the genocide of Palestinians.

Whataboutisms, okay. I don't even know how you can say it's "divorced from political leanings" and literally bring up Palestine in the same sentence. I honestly couldn't care less about the Hamas shit, but if it was a black-and-white issue, everyone else in the world wouldn't be taking a side in defending the Lawful Evil versus the Chaotic Evil, but sure.

Human life. obviously.

It's stull fucking illogical, retarded, and hypocritical as shit. But 'K. As if humans are so fucking special. I'm not even a vegan, mind you. But if you're gonna be "pro-life," then actually fucking mean what you say and don't shoot a mailman for stepping onto your lawn cause "My Castle Doctrine" and shit. Don't own a gun or kill animals. If God is the ultimate answer, then you shouldn't be hurting the life He made, as well. It's not like you CAN'T live life as a vegan; you just don't want to. I'm not a vegan, but I'm also not saying shit about how "precious" life is, either. If soylent green was a thing in real life, I'd probably eat it. I'm not a hypocrite like you.

And just to be clear here, I'm only talking about banning abortion as a law, not one's personal beliefs on it. I don't care if someone is personally against abortion, but to tell other people they can't opt out of parenthood, as if it's any of your fucking business, is what has me pissed off. Like, no one fucking cares what you think about abortion if it means they're gonna be forced by law to either raise a child they don't want and can't afford, or actually kill an actual baby, post-birth. The laws and extreme overreach of government power, is the issue here, not someone's opinion on being pro-life or pro-choice.

I'm far from anti-gun or anti-second-amendment or a vegan, but I'm not also moral-fagging about being someone who "respects life and God's word and sees it as sacred." Fuck off with that hypocritical bullshit. Nothing annoys me more than hypocrites, which is why I especially hate the retarded pro-life argument and why I brought it up. Most human beings on the planet can justify murder in a thousand different ways; don't act like any conservative - or anyone else - gives a fuck about "human life" while also advocating for the genocide of black Americans, or Palestinians, or Jews, or straight white males, or whatever fucking group or demographic you'll hate tomorrow. Tribalism is what most humans ascribe too; kinda the point of my post. But the certain conservatives wanna moral-fag about hating abortion, while also comparing single mothers to trash and implying welfare is theft of hard working people.

Clearly you are biased and care more about insults than about intelligent conversation.

Projection and bullshit, but okay. Don't bother playing if you have nothing to say. Especially since you're a literal white nationalist (and not in the woke Liberal sense, either.) Trying to argue "bias" and "insults over intelligent conversation" when I've seen the dumb shit you've said in the past. Now THIS is me being biased. A Conservative race-realism retard thinking he has any level of moral intelligence, let alone actual intelligence? Blow me, faggot. That's the most insulting thing you could possibly ever say to anyone on here. My shit adds more value to society than anything you've done in your entire existence, and I'm not even a Liberal saying that to you. How's that for insults over intelligent conversation? Not that your inbred redneck ass is capable of either one. If you were to ever do anything valuable for the human species, you'd pull a reverse It's A Wonderful Life and jump off a bridge. And no one would even care about you if you weren't such a disingenuous, phony, low IQ, moral-fagging, hypocritical, dumb sack of shit, fake-conservative, fake-Christian, Dunning-Kruger, pseudo-intellectual that proves the point of my entire post better than I ever could have. "Intelligent conversation" from you? Fuck off.

Is that better? Did I "step my game up?"

Welfare in moderation is fine. ...Welfare does not work and we should get rid of it.

That may be your stance, but most conservatives I've ever met or read online outright hates the welfare state and wants it abolished. And there are pros and cons to the issue, but you can't argue for pro-life and then abolish welfare. Like, who the fuck do you think is going to take care of all these babies you forced into existence from parents that don't want them and won't raise them or take care of them? Children don't live off of pure oxygen and money doesn't grow on trees. How do so many conservatives not see the hypocrisy in that? It's impossible to logically be pro-life, but anti-welfare and you can't force these reckless, unfit, terrible mothers or parents who don't even want to be parents, to become good parents or raise their children. Either the state will, or the children will just die. Pick one, but you don't get both just because you wish life was that peachy. Yeah it'd be nice if stupid people didn't fuck let alone get knocked up while doing it, but that also means 95% of the human race right now probably wouldn't exist, either.

Obviously doing more of something that does not work is fucking stupid.

And yet you advocate for federally-enforced pro-life mandates in a society that can't even get half-decent parents even when it's planned, but also want limited/no welfare at the same time, meaning these unwanted babies you want to bring into the world will just flat-out die then, and can't see how fucking retarded that is, or the same sentiments shared by other conservatives. So, you're "fucking stupid" then.

Exactly how many parents out here in 2024 Western society do you think are actually "good parents?" Like 45-50% at the most? Probably more like 20-25%, realistically? The current real-life world is overpopulated, there's limited resources, even less resources now since the dipshit Democrats want to give all tax dollars to illegal immigrants, and crime is skyrocketing, and yet you want to add more fuel to the fire and create more shitty parents, have them create more children that'll end up as criminals and mentally ill, take up even more resources, and worse of all, do jack-fucking-shit to actually ensure those all those unwanted children you forced into existence will actually survive to adulthood? Got it. More of something that does not work is stupid; I agree.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even know how you can say it's "divorced from political leanings"

You claimed, and presumably believe, that being "antisemitic" is a conservative position. I just explained why that is wrong, as those sentiments do not follow a political divide. There is a video out about the ADL director talking about anti semitism on tik tok and he clearly spells out that the divide is between old and young not left and right. The ADL, and the jewish powers that be are banning tik tok because it is overpowering their propaganda messages to the youth.

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nigger.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

since you're the "niggers are subhuman trash" type

Not my position at all, putting people into boxes like that so you can write off everyone you don't like is stupid. Also, you are not responding for my benefit at all, you are responding on a public forum for the benefit of your own arguments and beliefs. The only reason to not respond is if you can't defend your position.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't make the rules of conservatism

You also don't understand them. I am a non religious western conservative, and I know many others like me. I also know muslim conservatives and jewish conservatives. Your understanding of conservatism comes from inside an ideological bubble.

[–]Mcheetah[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I already explained I don't like you, I don't respect you, I think you're an absolute fucking clown and a giant hypocrite, I've seen the horrible shit you've written on here, and your "conservatives are superior" post is a fucking joke. I already know how half the people on this site are and don't care, but as I said, the thing that bothers me the most about you is how phony, utterly braindead, and self-righteous you are despite holding such viewpoints. I'm far from a Progressive or modern liberal, so I couldn't care less what dumb viewpoints people have on here, but Dunning-Kruger people and moral-fags who hold those kind of contradictory viewpoints are extra annoying. It's why I, in fact, can't stand the woke: you're EXACTLY like them. Thanks for that, I guess, cause it only proves my point of this entire thread, Mister "I speak the truth, but also Pro-Life and a race realist." I couldn't create that level of retardedness in a fictional person if I tried. Might as well call yourself a Flat-Earther too, to complete the set.

This site wont let me block you because you apparently have too much power on here, but I'm not going to waste too much more time on someone who wants me dead, as well as all non-whites, but still think he's a fucking moral and intellectual superior. I took 35 minutes to respond to you last time, so this is my speed-run and last time wasting more time out of my day for someone as dense and hypocritical as you.

Your understanding of conservatism comes from inside an ideological bubble.

No. My "understanding of conservatism" comes directly from certain types of extreme-right conservatives. I already explained in the opening post I'm on neither side, and I also explained I'm referring to modern Western conservative people, not the concept of "conservatism," so to imply I'm in an ideological bubble once again shows your ignorance.

White people have a right to defend themselves. They have a right to call out the jews when the jews attack them.

Good God, you fucking dumbass. Maybe this is more than just a "white genocide" issue that you seem to think it is. Maybe it's not a "race issue" like you seem to think it is. I'm not even going to get into your "they're trying to exterminate us" white nationalist shit, especially considering how much you've called for "non-whites" to be dead, completely unprovoked on here. You're literally the walking example of what modern American liberals think conservatives are, like that movie "Cuck."

You claimed, and presumably believe, that being "antisemitic" is a conservative position.

I literally never did. I told you I don't give a fuck about it, one way or the other. I implied how some conservatives claim to "love God," but want to kill other people such as blacks, gays, and Jews, which completely goes against what Christianity is supposed to be about, you pants-on-head retard. And yeah, since stupidity really pisses me off, especially from pseudo-intellectuals who sent me 37 messages in my inbox, none of which say jack shit or make any valid counterarguments, I'm going to keep taking low shots like this. Regardless, you're not doing yourself any favors here by defending hatred and genocide, but then claiming you "love life" and see "abortion as wrong and evil." You're a fucking hypocrite, like I said. A very stupid, hateful one, at that. The funny thing is, you almost make a valid point here. Except it's not "Jews" out to fuck you over; it's the elite oligarchs, some of which happen to be Jewish. But you're too fucking retarded to realize that.

Yes [humans are special.]

You and so many others like you, on the extreme right and extreme left, prove they're really not. But this is just opinion, so it's not worth arguing over.

I bet you don't even know the true history of abortion legalization.

I actually do. It doesn't change any of my point of not using government force to bring in unloved, unwanted, abused future-children into an already overpopulated society that can't even take care of the people in this world who were intended to be here. Try again.

What about other forms of murder? Should any parent be allowed to kill their kids at any time? Should parents who have autistic kids and run out of patience with them be allowed to kill them? Is that any of your business?

Strawman bullshit and obfuscation. Literally, why the fuck do you think it is any of your business to control who is allowed to have kids or not? Especially since you don't have to pay welfare for them, and don't give a flying fuck about the actual health and safety of these would-be children? Asking a bunch of irrelevant questions doesn't get you out of the original question, but I already knew you couldn't come up with jack shit to counter it. If you think the government has the right to control your ability to be a parent, then I guess you also have to think it has the right to control your ability to NOT be a parent as well, cause that's how laws work. Go to China and ask them how the One Child Policy worked out for them, cause that is the level of retardation you're arguing here for and desperately trying to create logic for, when there isn't any. Your point is fucking retarded. Aborting a six week embryo isn't "murder" anymore than you jacking off. Fuck you.

While I believe white people would be better off in a white only country I don't think non white americans should be forced out of america in order for that to happen. What I am is a realist. I value the truth and speak the truth.

Is that why you believe in the "kill the niggers with excessive force" argument? Motherfucker, I even gave you links of your own shit last time and you're still lying. I know what this site is about and I don't give a shit if someone has beliefs like you. I really don't. But like I said earlier, I fucking hate hypocrites, stupid people who believe they're smart, and self-appointed moral superiors.

Yes, I have the belief that we should all try to be better people, despite how much negativity and stupidity I see from people every day. But unlike you, I'm not saying we need to kill niggers and Jews while making myself out to be some kind of angel. I'm saying we need to "act better." You're saying you - and white conservatives - are better. That's why I'm not a hypocrite and you are.

they are incorrect, slanderous stereotypes about conservatives that were invented by leftists.

This shit is funny coming from the "kill the Coons and Big-noses" man, but please, moral-fag even harder.

First off it was the parents who forced them into existence by having unprotected sex. No, it is not from contraceptive failure. Orphanages exist. Foster care exists. No one who wants the broken welfare state abolished is arguing that orphans should not be taken care of by the state.

The state IS WELFARE. Like WTF are you on? You know welfare doesn't just mean "free money for poor people," right? You know that, right? And cutting off all these problems to begin with, would be better than trying to make the problems less damaging. You contradict yourself in your own previous argument: "you can [argue for pro-life and then abolish welfare] if no one is dying from lack of welfare." Not even true, but contradicts the point you made here of eliminating the problem altogether. Regardless, your arguments are fucking stupid and don't counter the original argument that 'no unwanted children at all' is better than 'less suffering for unwanted children.'

And then you wonder why I have zero respect for you. It's like, be a genocidal hateful piece-of-shit asshole, or be a braindead-retarded hypocrite. Don't be both, man. Being both is what annoys me about you.

Because murder is wrong. [These] are both far more moral than murdering unwanted babies.

Shut the fuck up. You want to murder non-whites and Jews "in self-defense" and then say shit like this. Really man, are you trolling me or what? I think I'm falling for the bait.

Furthermore, fucking a steady partner is still fucking for fun.

Which is abortion and anti "pro-life." Which was my fucking point you missed among all that irrelevant shit you responded to. I also pointed out last time how ANY FORM OF RECREATIONAL SEX goes against the argument of pro-life, because you're aborting a child or interfering in "the natural process of human reproduction," which is what conservatives argue actual abortion is. Thus, it's hypocritical. You can't have hetero sex for fun without the intent to create a child, and then call yourself "pro-life" without contradicting yourself. Did I make it clear this time around?

There's more retarded shit you've said and failed to counterargue, but this is about as much patience as I have left for you. My ORIGINAL POINT was that someone who has such extreme and contradictory views as you, cannot possibly be intelligent because of the contradictions and hypocrisy required to hold up those views at all times and to not have them break due to scrutiny. It's more obvious on the woke left, but you've proven why it also exists on the extreme right, as well. While intelligence is subjective, I think you've proved my point for me pretty damn well.

Even this reply took another 18 minutes to respond to and I honestly don't think you're capable of saying anything intelligent or consistently logical with you, so for now, this "subhuman non-white" is done with your inane retarded moral fagging arguments. There's others on this post who likely could make your own arguments better than you without contracting themselves every turn or implying I'm a "liberal" when I said from the start I hate them more than living "Conservative stereotypes" like you.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As if humans are so fucking special

Yes they are. You don't have to believe it, you just have to understand that this is the position of conservatives, and just about every single intelligent person on the planet.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

don't shoot a mailman for stepping onto your lawn cause "My Castle Doctrine" and shit.

No one does that. As far as the people who are chomping at the bit to shoot criminals they are pro abortion because abortion was created and popularized as a method of lowering the black population. I bet you don't even know the true history of abortion legalization.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but to tell other people they can't opt out of parenthood, as if it's any of your fucking business,

Do you also believe that biological fathers should be allowed to opt out of child support? Is that any of you business?

What about other forms of murder? Should any parent be allowed to kill their kids at any time? Should parents who have autistic kids and run out of patience with them be allowed to kill them? Is that any of your business?

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tribalism is what most humans ascribe too

You are one of those people. Every single argument you make is based on stereotypes. But not just that, they are incorrect, slanderous stereotypes about conservatives that were invented by leftists.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing annoys me more than hypocrites

If that were true then you would not be a liberal because liberals have a double standard for literally everything. If you take any news story, literally any situation real or fake, that elicits some type of strong reaction and switch the races of the people around every single liberal will completely change their position on it.

What confuses you is that every time you hear something that disagrees with your brainwashed beliefs you immediately pull out all the lies you have been taught which contradict that new information. So when I tell you I'm not religious, rather than understand that you have been lied to about conservatives you pull out all the bullshit you have been told about how conservatives use religion for x y and z and claim I am a hypocrite because I use religious arguments for x y and z. None of which is true, it is all just lies you have been programmed with.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

when I've seen the dumb shit you've said in the past.

Why does that comment not have an intelligent response from you pointing out how stupid it is using logically sound arguments? Just because you feel it is wrong does not mean it is wrong. Your emotional response to it is not a valid measure of how true or intelligent it is.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"I don't hate the subhuman scum; I'm just trying to 'save them' from burning in Hell.

Again, don't believe in hell. And calling out jewsish crimes is not about saving jews it is about protecting all of the people that are being harmed by jews. White people have a right to defend themselves. They have a right to call out the jews when the jews attack them.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Especially since you're a literal white nationalist

I'm literally not. While I believe white people would be better off in a white only country I don't think non white americans should be forced out of america in order for that to happen. What I am is a realist. I value the truth and speak the truth. You are then extrapolating from that policies and beliefs you think I must have. But every time you do that you are wrong because you have been so mind fucked by leftist lies that you don't live in reality and are incapable of coming to rational conclusions.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did I "step my game up?"

What you did is prove my point. The fact that you think a rant full of nothing but emotional insults is "stepping your game up" proves that your game is nothing more than emotional insults.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you can't argue for pro-life and then abolish welfare

You can if no one is dying from lack of welfare.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like, who the fuck do you think is going to take care of all these babies you forced into existence

First off it was the parents who forced them into existence by having unprotected sex. No, it is not from contraceptive failure.

Orphanages exist. Foster care exists. No one who wants the broken welfare state abolished is arguing that orphans should not be taken care of by the state. That is another left wing argument invented to slander conservatives for the purpose of brainwashing you about conservatives. If you ever had a real conversation with a conservative in real life that would never be their position.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yet you advocate for mandatory pro-life mandates

Because murder is wrong. There are better solutions. Let's start with sterilizing the low IQ. Let's start with sterilizing people on welfare. Those are both far more moral than murdering unwanted babies.