SaidIt Survey: Ban /u/socks and /u/ActuallyNot or keep them around?

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

You are advocating for an inauthentic user to be on this website, stirring shit. And you think Jason is wrong for trying to stop it.

It's not silly or goofy or harmless.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

I'm defending the ability for him to speak freely, and for you to do the same. I don't know how authentic socks is. I don't agree with the way that he dismisses information, the politicians he follows, or the covid vaccine opinions he's got. I can also yank up my big girl breetches and fucking ignore it when I choose to, because this is the internet and we're not revolutionaries in it.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

If you are ok with these sorts of spam-level users, then ok. Jason and I think it's a waste of time to entertain.

[–]Node 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

I activated my sock-block, because something about the way he words things causes me to really want to reply with corrections. No problems ignoring the other trolls, shills, and puppets, but comments by socks cry out for corrections.

I would be okay with banning him if it didn't cause problems, but it would. Remember the banning drama back in the spring, and how that led to all those problems. m7 is still avoiding the internet (or at least saidit) because of some of the problems all that drama led to.

And where do you stop? ActuallyNot, the shalom guy, skeeters alts, and the list could keep growing.

It is a waste of time to entertain. But I fear there's an endless supply of people willing to feed them.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

m7 is still avoiding the internet (or at least saidit) because of some of the problems all that drama led to.

Do you know this to be true or is this speculation?

And where do you stop?

Stop where the rules stop. Most of the shills, trolls, commies, and Nazis on SaidIt actually abide by the rules, so for better or worse they can stay, but we can keep watch for when they break the rules - and hope the arbitrary judgement and courage of the admins will take action.

and the list could keep growing.

One storm a week is enough. Next week we can start the list. If SaidIt were to grow then we may need it. A.I., the culture war, and tyranny are also on the rise. Maybe it's a pointless witch hunt. We can take care to keep it fair. More later.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

m7 hasn't framed it that way, to my knowledge. But remember how cranky he was when he banned you, bobbobbybob, and musky?

As for banning rule violators, many of us would be gone already if the rules were strictly followed.

There's also some irony in banning only working with with users who aren't assholes.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

M7 took on the burden and refused to delegate or find any decent solution, topping it all off by abandoning his duties leaving someone incapable in charge with a deep grudge he instilled in them like a time bomb, unbeknownst to me, thus causing even more drama when I got temp-banned again.

"repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction"

It's the repetition that's critically key - and arbitrary.

There's also some irony in banning only working with with users who aren't assholes.

Perhaps, LOL, I don't know what that says about me, as I've been banned twice, and officially resurrected twice. Maybe I'm the grey area around the asshole if I'm not one directly - or double sized.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

I just don't give them the same level of care. If you don't consider them worthy of entertainment, that's understandable, but why even engage them? It's just going to devolve into getting pissed off and getting nowhere as a result. Proving points to them might work. Maybe. But letting shit get out of hand and calling each other liars or accusing each other of anything at all will probably net you a spike in blood pressure and a lot of time pissed away into the ether.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

I understand your arguments, and I think they are stupid. Shills and trolls should be dealt with accordingly.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Neat. I think your arguments are stupid too. Glad we got that out of the way.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Neato!

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

🐡🐀🍵🐁🦎🌵

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Don't drag down the discussion with comments like this. If you want to "deal" with "shills and trolls (if you can find any), you can 'report' them. Mods will see the reports and decide accordingly. It's really simple.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not one to cry to u/D3rr. I'll do it for bots or known alts.

I didn't start this thread, you know. I just don't care for pretenders and support getting rid of them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

A 'report' is not a "cry to d3rr". (At least try to understand some of these issues.)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I ask the same from you. You purposefully ignore whole sections of people's responses to you, and play the confused obtuse too often.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you really need an explanation? And does one have to respond to everything you write in a post? (That's not how forums work. I merely pointed out that there is a structure in place that addresses your concerns. Part of that structure includes the use of the 'report' button. Then you responded with a note about d3rr, whcih is not what I referred to. Then you mentioned bots, alts, the thread, pretenders, &c, all of which are addressed by my mentioning the 'report' system. This is a direct, appropriate response to your post. I always regret responding to you, and will try better not to do so in the future. It's nothing personal, but it is apparent in all of your responses to me that you have no interest or ability to understand the topic of discussion. Most importantly, stop telling lies. Good night.)