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The point of Bitcoin is that it's decentralized and controlled by no one. You dont need a third party. I can keep my Bitcoins offline and I become my own bank.

Food and shelter is not made difficult by money. Its made difficult by the people who control and print the money. The "Bankers"

You take away the ability for them to print, lend and control money and then you have a strong currency which can easily buy you food and shelter.

The bankers have always been the root of the problem. Farmers are poor because they bankers force them to borrow millions of dollars and they are always in debt. Generations of families who only know a life of "borrowing money" is exactly what the bankers wanted.

This has been going on for decades maybe 80 years. You blame money because you stop at that. Keep investigating how money works and where does it come from and you will find out the truth. Most people dont investigate further past currency.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(I apologize for the length here. It is a mix of questions and fleshing out of my ideas, and pointing out some flaws in them)

How do you keep your bitcoins off line, and then how do you use them offline? (I'm really asking. I have none.) Is this a solution that can be used practically by people who now use the central-bank issued currency of their state's choosing? (maybe an unfair question, but I can't think of a better way to ask it).

With regard to the question if food and shelter are not made more difficult by money but by those who control it: I refer back to my point about how many generations of us have lived in shelters without needing security deposits or mortgages. Currency does not exist with out people who control and print it, that must include something exactly analogous to control and printing applicable to bitcoin.

We freely made shelter as we spread across the planet but now depend on currency to purchase it. Bitcoin will not change that, bankers or not. Shelter has been made scarce by a variety of factors (actually talked about by Colin Ward in Anarchy in Action). In the US there are more vacant homes than homeless people, so the scarcity is artificial. The fear of being homeless is a tool capitalism uses to make labor less willing to stand up for itself. I have to admit that my desire to eliminate currency does not address that either though. Making shelter a right removing it from the artificial scarcity, might be the only way.

I agree with you that the problem is the bankers (that may be overly broad. Maybe the banking system is more accurate?). You state the problem very clearly-- the problems farmers face etc, excellently stated-- and I agree most of that. Banker’s power comes from our respect for their currency, which is respect that we have no real choice in the matter.

Bitcoin may be a better method of doing currency, it just seem that anything involving currency places extra steps between us and our needs and transactions. Picture any transaction, minus the money. What changes? The totals in bank accounts, really that’s it.

You can not use bit coin everywhere, you can't really use any currency everywhere. But we must use currency virtually everywhere. I think the potential for problems grow as the range and universality of the currency grows. How can people be assured that similar gamings of the system that bankers now use will not be found by those who issue and manage bitcoin or any other replacement for what we use now? Perhaps more importantly, now can any currency displace the current system while that system not only crushes competition but can be used to make people homeless and ruin whole countries economies, the way Soros did to Portugal and other countries?

I have to say that it’s been more than 80 years, and my ideas in these comments do not address the problem either. Lords and Kings sent soldiers and tax collectors to take the produce of the poor. I can’t say the plight of the peasant or serf was due to currency any more than anyone can blame central banks. For it. I guess authority is the problem, as so many anarchist writers have pointed out.

Well after admitting flaws in my ideas, here are my reasons for not really backing away from my central issue with currency. I chose blame money and stop there, because I see that as the most fundamental way to strike at those who have power undeservedly. Bitcoin is no end-around to the Federal Reserve. I think the ultimate problem is that our natural resources are commodified in terms of a social construct. Being hungry or shivering in the cold is not solved by physical means, but by adding extra steps between those physical means via currency. "Homeless? GET A JOB" should be replaced with Homeless? Build a Shelter while we integrate you into the tasks we do to provide for ourselves as a community, and I say it that way because we fail as individuals and are a social species that live in communities.