"wHaT iS wOkE aNyWay?" When idiots try to gaslight you. Woke: A Definition.

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

We have fairly similar stories. I identified as liberal until 2014, when I noticed a sudden seismic shift in the left wing and realized it had left me behind. And now I reject partisan politics entirely.

The fact that we have such similar stories makes me baffled as to why you believe this guy is insightful while I immediately identify him as full of shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1814HNjVntA

He correctly reports that Karl Marx wrote that human history is about class struggle - about the tension between those with resources and those who have to work for a tiny slice of those resources. All the way back to the pharaohs and the artisans who had to build their tombs.

But then he takes this crazy turn out of nowhere and insists that that means that any conflict between two groups is therefore Marxist.

So... France versus Germany? Marxist.

Tory vs. Labour? Marxist.

Raiders vs. Giants? Marxist.

Gay vs. Straight? Marxist.

And frankly, this conclusion is stupid. It is mega fucking stupid.

[–]Mcheetah[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I remember our conversation from before. You said how you're into cuckolding and doing... "something" physical with lesbians; typically old ones near or over 40, and how actual straight women (biological women who'd actually want anything to do with men) and women who want actual relationships doesn't appeal to you. That grosses me out on a visceral level and I find it extremely emasculating. So no; we're nothing similar.

[He] insists that that means that any conflict between two groups is therefore Marxist.

I don't think that was the actual argument, as I don't think that was said at all. I think you're strawmanning. Either way, what about the other two videos? The whole point is that it's all about class warfare and "oppressors versus oppressed" and that the woke sees everything in victim vs privilege status, and instead of actual unity, they just want to become the new oppressors (and in some circles, like Hollywood, already have been for years.) That's the entire basis of Marxism.

I've been on the internet long enough to know not to waste too much time on someone who can't, or doesn't, want to have their mind changed, but that's the gist of it. Oppressed vs Oppressor, and seizing the so-called "power" from the oppressor, to "uplift" the oppressed. That's about as much as I feel like explaining it, cause it's not hard to Google the rest yourself and I'm tired right now.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Nah, I'm not into cuckolding. I'm polyamorous. Meaning I have three partners. And yeah, they're bisexual. Spoooooky scary bisexuals.

We're raising an eight year old child together. We own a house together. I'd say it's a real relationship.

I don't think that was the actual argument, as I don't think that was said at all. I think you're strawmanning

It was the actual argument. He said "See? Marxism is about conflict between groups! CRT is about conflict between groups! Therefore CRT IS MARXISM."

Which is the exact same logic as "humans have cells; trees have cells; therefore humans are trees."

Marx was concerned about how people born into property exploit the labor of people who aren't. He didn't write about race. He wasn't American. He certainly didn't give a shit about whether racism could be baked into an institution in ways that presented themselves decades later even in the absence of personal racial antipathy.

But, hey. Trees have cells. Humans have cells. Therefore: same thing. Google it, because I don't have time to educate you about biology.

[–]gloomy_bear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

He doesn't believe in bisexuality. He keeps on calling me queer and dyke 😂. He also thinks I'm a neoliberal despite me being centrist economically and nowhere near the authoritarian right quadrant 😂

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's such a weird thing not to believe in. It's like refusing to believe in kangaroos because you aren't Australian. And no matter how many times people say: mate, I've seen them, they're very common, you just steadfastly insist that everyone's lying to you.

[–]gloomy_bear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know 😂. There's even some bisexuals that lie about being heterosexual or homosexual too. Like it's the second most common sexuality after heterosexual.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, believe me, I know. I dated a woman for more than a year who wouldn't admit she was bisexual even though she very, very, very obviously was. Her story was that she was a monogamous heterosexual Christian, and she was sticking to it, even though everything she said and did proved the opposite.

[–]gloomy_bear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems like it's common b/c my ex was a fakebian even said she was a goldstar lesbian and told me she had a crush on Liam Hemsworth. 🤡 she's bi. And then I knew a dude that claimed to have a crush on the same sex his freshman year of high school yet he claimed to be straight 🤣