Lots of people use "productive conversation" as a euphemism for "everyone ends up agreeing with everything else" which is a weird worldview to me as someone who seeks truth

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[–]Klenvastergan[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It seems like the end point of that view would be never caring about anything or doing anything, and thus never producing anything.

That's a weird way to define "productive."

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The space between the earth and the sky is like bellows.
It doesn't care about your path, just fans your flame, and you produce more and more.
While it just stays there empty, and spend no energy, have nothing, thus is never exhausted.

People gather data and ideas, and use it to create the truth they need for their path.
Give them what they want, don't try to control the result, you won't succeed anyway.
When there is a lot, you're bound to find something for yourself.

[–]Klenvastergan[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nobody creates truth.

Truth is that which is true, not what you believe is true.

[–]StrategicTactic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Using a term to describe itself is a recursive fallacy. A better definition that I heard:

Truth is that which comports to reality.

[–]Klenvastergan[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Reality is that which is true.

Truth is that which is.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The slight problem is that humans "have difficulty" apprehending reality. We would pretty much need to be God to perceive actual reality. And so, there's no agreement on what constitutes truth.

Even the everyday practical working 'truths' you're referring to will lead back to this problem, if pursued far enough.

[–]killerjavi98 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To comprehend that which is incomprehensible one must comprehend that there are incomprehensible things. The Laws of Physics is a truth we all understand but we understand that the cause might be incomprehensible because how we currently experience our state of consciousness. However we can uplift humanity to understand the truths and apply it to our current state of consciousness or reality. Then maybe we can understand these obscure metaphysical concepts like AIN SOPH