Court rules automakers can record and intercept owner text messages

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[–]In-the-clouds 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The article does not claim that any of the data leaves the car to be stored elsewhere on the internet, except for the possibility of law enforcement. And that means if the government wants to listen in, they can. It's Big Brother, AKA the Beast.

More microphones, cameras, and sensors continue to be installed in newer vehicles....

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

law enforcement subpoenas text messages all the time. or emails. Hunter biden learned that.

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Law enforcement is not mentioned at all.

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is what I see in the article:

Once messages are downloaded, Berla’s software makes it impossible for vehicle owners to access their communications and call logs but does provide law enforcement with access, the lawsuit said.

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I missed that, but the other cases don't involve law enforcement from what I see.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

always read before commenting musky

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The sad thing is I did read it. I just blanked or something on that part. I thought it was weird itc was talking about police because I did not see anything about that rather the bit about selling consumer data caught my eye.

That error aside I think my point stands that these lawsuits are also about car companies spying on people's phones when given access and that's fucked.

[–]Drewski[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So cops need a warrant, but car companies can just invade your privacy? Fucking judge needs to be disbarred.

[–]noshore4me 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you have additional information about the case because in the article it said "ruled Tuesday that the interception and recording of mobile phone activity did not meet the Washington Privacy Act’s standard that a plaintiff must prove that “his or her business, his or her person, or his or her reputation” has been threatened."? What was the threat?

[–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, no new info, but does there have to be damages here? It's a privacy issue. Your car should not have the right to your personal, private data, period. I'm sure there's something deep in the legal language of the contract when you buy the car that let's them do this, but there should be laws to protect your privacy in this instance. I don't want my appliances spying on me and I don't understand what good this does a customer.

[–]noshore4me 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree, but if it's in the terms of service and the driver chooses to link their phone to their car, the onus is on the driver. I would never run my calls through the car nor would I look at my texts on the screen, but some people prefer convenience to privacy.

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just don't think that should be the default. That you give up your privacy by default unless you dig and find a way to shut that off.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP boys, it was all in their fine print. Connect at your own risk.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess this means they are sniffing the data from your blue tooth connection through the car. It is always very illegal to sniff such data from the air, from the cell communications.