Republicans vs Democrats

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[–]jjj49er 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Democrats aren't interested in facts. It's all about feelings. They feel like republicans are racist. The debate ends there.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

1) Republicans started electing blacks to the senate 128 years before the democrats.
2) But to this day only 50% of all black senators have been republicans.

What does that tell you?

It implies to me that:

1) Democrats used to be more racist than republicans.
2) Republicans are now more racist than democrats.

Is this wrong?

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The last part there does not follow at all.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What part don't you follow?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lol, there's that classic sox twist. 🤣

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

None of it?

Then why did you say that you didn't think it followed?

[–]passionflounderIndependent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are a lot of assumptions that we're supposed to simply accept as factual to follow that logic.

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No. It means: 1) Republicans used to deliver favors for blacks. 2) Democrats gave them more.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Favors like the abolition of slavery and the vote?

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, but also the disenfranchisement of southern White voters and the installation of black legislatures.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is the right to vote really a favor for blacks?

Over and above something that whites had?

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The most vile and hateful racism is on display when a "white" democrat attacks a POC republican. Their mask comes off and they don't hold back.

[–]Tarrock 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Democrats are the real racists!

Then suddenly, not a single person changed their minds or votes.

[–]GuyWhite 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, because there are no “person[s]” in “Niggas for Trump.” Only apes. Correct?

If not correct, then perhaps folks are actually changing their minds.

[–]makesyoudownvote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also Black people tend to have conservative values and tend to be among the most religious ethnic groups in the country, just behind latinos, who also tend to be conservative in values.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. The whole neocon agenda is to align their social politics with the church, so that there are large numbers of poor voting against their economic interests, and then align the economic politics with business so that the consumer is disenfranchised at the expense of the rich and the environment.

But after all that work by the federalist society to move judges and politics and politicians, Obama hit the sweet spot of the response to that, winning the black vote despite religion.

The Trump phenomena is probably in response to that.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It definitely predates Obama. There was a joke for years that Clinton was the first black president. He played saxophone, and was super suave with the ladies.

But I think Blacks have been mostly Democrat since as far back as the 70s. Possibly earlier.

[–]passionflounderIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Failure to indulge what the majority believes threatens OurDemocracy®- even if that belief is utter bullshit propaganda.

[–]Thinger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

  • Democrat politicians today cheat in elections.
  • Republican politicians today... let them.

It is a uni-party now whether you believe it or not.

[–]boston_blackie[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've always believed that, but I want my faction of the Uniparty to win the next Presidential election, not theirs.

[–]classicliberal1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have to say that the picture in the OP is disingenuous. The fact is that the two parties switched roles, their politicians, and their constituents in the 1960s when the Republican Party implemented Nixon's Southern Strategy. Prior to the 1960s, the Democrats were the party of the South. They were called Dixiecrats and included people like Strom Thurmond, who filibustered the Civil Rights Act.

Then in the 1960s, all the Dixiecrats (including Thurmond) became Republicans, and most Republicans became Democrats. There is an old saying from that time: "I didn't leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me."

Today's Republican Party is not the party of Lincoln or of Eisenhower. I wish it was, but it's a lie to say it's so.

Maybe you can make the case that today's Democrat Party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Eisenhower since that party has changed so much since the switch. But you certainly cannot make the case that the Republican Party after the 1960s is the same political party as the Republican Party before the 1960s. Not given that all the politicians switched sides. Not that after the 1960s the Republican Party was the party of the South just like the Dixiecrats before the 1960s, and even composed of the same damn politicians.

So equating today's Republicans to those before the 1960s is the worst kind of lie, a half-truth. Sure, the name of the party is the same, but the people certainly were not.

As to which party is worst today? It's hard to say as they are both terrible. Generally, I prefer Democrats at the federal level and Republicans at the state level because each party does its most evil the other way around. Republicans torture and start illegal wars. Democrats brainwash children in public schools. In this country, you vote for the lesser of the two evils, but they are both evil.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I actually saw a graphic somewhere showing that only a few politicians switched parties.

I think what happened was not the Southern Strategy, but LBJ's "Nigger" Strategy, wherein he planned to give handouts to black people to keep them from moving up the ladder. And as you can see today it has been a huge success.

[–]GuyWhite 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Demonrats sure have fooled the nigra, however. Most nigras believe the Republican is the cause of their plight.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Everyone agrees that the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, and the election of politicians of all backgrounds are good. And that's progress, because it wasn't always so.

It's interesting that position of the parties with respect to big government and to a certain extent, racism switched under FDR and the New Deal.

But it was democrats, specifically JFK, that brought the civil rights act. After it was fillibustered in the Senate, and JFK was assassinated, it was pushed through by Lyndon B. Johnson. (Also a democrat).

[–]Tarrock 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Everyone agrees that the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, and the election of politicians of all backgrounds are good.

I don't

[–]GuyWhite 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see you’ve met the Saidit village idiot. It’s probably AI ultra liberal gibberish.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aww cute.

You want to engage but you don't feel up to entering the discussion. So you put in ad-homs, in the hope of interating.

I see you GuyWhite. Feel better.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you?

All of them?

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now they're just two sides of the same coin.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both sides are shit sandwiches.

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The reason why there is a gap in public education about the Reconstruction era black legislatures is because it enhances the images of neither Republicans nor blacks. It went basically exactly as a racist would've predicted.

The Republican party of Lincoln was a proto-bolshevist movement fronting for northern industrialists and bankers. Lincoln's GOP better resembles Nancy Pelosi's Democrat party than today's GOP. That is why Thaddeus Stevens is somehow elided in all of these "DIDJA KNOW...?" boomer memes.

Democrats present a false history of blacks leaving the GOP in 1964, positing that all the bad Democrats switched over and such. This is not true. The main exodus of blacks from the GOP occurred in the 20s and 30s. It was said by black leaders that they felt ignored after Reconstruction ended. Then, amid the Great Depression, they ditched the GOP along with the rest of the country.

MLK was never a Republican. We know his father had been in the 30s, but switched, because MLK wrote about it. MLK was a puppet to a Jewish Communist, Stanley Levinson, who left a job with the CPUSA to be MLK's political advisor.

If the GOP wants the black vote so badly, it's simple: Promise black people cash and privileges and decriminalize crime. You will not succeed in turning black people into White people so they'll vote Republican.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It appears the left have been murdering republicans all along.