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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The Masai are just one example, you can't characterize the beliefs of traditional cultures by one tribe, and there really is no generalizing the beliefs of primitive peoples as they are extremely diverse.

Some of these African cultures DO in fact have fluid notions of gender, this is well documented by many sociologists. The Nuba people of Sudan, and the Ambo of Angola are just a couple of examples in Africa. Indigenous people have a very wide range of practices and beliefs

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It is extremely culturally insensitive and racist to criticize what these people say about gender.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is extremely culturally insensitive and racist to criticize what these people say about gender.

I tend to agree with Matt Walsh about gender, but the attitudes about tribal people towards gender differ are widely varying, and either side trying to characterize the beliefs of all tribal peoples to show what is supposedly natural, are either being intentionally disingenuous, or haven't actually read any of the literature about primitive peoples

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"If you want to become a lady but you're a man, you have something wrong in your family. Something wrong in you."

-- African tribesman

Good job calling him "primitive" though, that's a word that isn't charged with any kind of negative meaning.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good job calling him "primitive" though, that's a word that isn't charged with any kind of negative meaning.

Using wokist attacks, brilliant and not at all hypocritical.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's the brilliance of Matt Walsh's film: try to discredit what these people are saying by calling them primitive liars who don't understand wokism, and you're a racist - by the woke's own standards! It's an impressive act of flipping the script.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Those aren't examples of fluid gender. They aren't fluid for a start.

Ingenious third genders are almost always ways of othering gay men and kicking them out of the real men category.

Basically they are evidence of strict gender roles and rules as well as homophobia, not tolerance.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those aren't examples of fluid gender. They aren't fluid for a start.

Ingenious third genders are almost always ways of othering gay men and kicking them out of the real men category.

Basically they are evidence of strict gender roles and rules as well as homophobia, not tolerance.

I don't think that is accurate

Anthropologist John McCall documented a female-assigned Ohafia Igbo named Nne Uko Uma Awa, who dressed and behaved as a boy since childhood, joined men's groups, and was a husband to two wives; in 1991, Awa stated "by creation I was meant to be a man. But as it happened, when coming into this world I came with a woman's body. That is why I dressed [as a man].

John C. McCall, Dancing Histories: Heuristic Ethnography with the Ohafia Igbo (2000, ISBN 0472110705)

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are definitely generalizations you can make about traditional societies. We share a mostly-common biology, after all. It IS the case that in all traditional societies, men and women are defined primarily through folk biology. When deviance from gender norms is permitted, it is not because they believe men can become women or women can become men. Deviants are given an additional category to occupy, known in anthropology as 'third gender.' So far, every recorded instance of third gender in the ethnographic record involves the society understanding that the biology of the deviant is male or female, but they are afforded the courtesy of occupying the third gender role.

There are no traditional societies on Earth that believe men can become women or women can become men. It is possible that the Sentinelese believe this, since they have not been contacted, but it is almost certainly not the case.