Wayback Machine is now dropping right wing sites - the book burning is well underway. Hail your new fascist information overlords.

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[–]FreedomUltd 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

Why aren't we getting into distributed internet? We're acting like we don't want to get out from under corporate rule.

[–]TyranaSoreWristWreck 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

I'm game if you are. What the hell does that mean?

[–]Intuit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No central servers; content stored on users' machines. Like torrents, but more suited for quick access of pages.

[–]shakadevirgem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Is this the usenet?

[–]TyranaSoreWristWreck 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL. "The" Usenet. It's just called Usenet. And that's not what he means. Usenet definitely uses servers.

[–]Intuit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Usenet is pretty centralized these days. But yeah, good example of the tech already existing, even allowing discussions.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Freenet?

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think ZeroNet is a good example. Currently impossible to shut down a site on ZeroNet I believe. Google it, very interesting I think.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Because people don't want to download entire websites just to use them, because it can be quite dangerous with viruses and porn. I used to use ZeroNet, but stopped once I found out that just about every site had a crypto miner.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So what's better? Trying to get the corporations to respect our rights?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I prefer the federated model over the distributed and centralized models.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The federated model is vulnerable to bring shut down by ISPs right? Plus whoever hosts your server, unless you do it yourself. And of course I can be forgiven for hesitating joining your server, since you could say any time decide that I'm worthy of censoring.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If you don't want to use someone else's instance, you could host your own.

Disclaimer: I'm not entirely sure how this all works other than: centralized = one provider, decentralized = more than one provider, and distributed = everyone is a provider.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's not really conducive to good social media, everyone hosting their own.

That's about my understanding too. You have more experience with ZeroNet than I do though. Does it run in a browser? In any case shouldn't it be as easy to block crypto miners viruses etc. as it is for the browsers?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It was years ago, so I don't remember that much, but yeah, it runs in your browser. The problem is that it downloads all the files — every single one of them — to your computer.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think pretty much every site downloads pretty much every file before displaying it. It doesn't stay there for others to download of course. But I'm happy to provide space for worthy content. Seems like the browser and anti-virus software can handle trackers malware etc.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No, that ain't right. Only the front-end is downloaded; back-end files ain't. So the HTML document and stylesheet would be temporarily saved to your computer, but not the python or php files in the background. You can't even see these files, which is how companies like Google keep their proprietary code secret.

This can include scripts like crypto miners, but they're destroyed once you leave the website. But with ZeroNet that's different: these files remain on your computer until you manually delete them, and my anti-virus said they where still active even after the webpages where closed.

So even if every webpage did download the back-end it wouldn't matter, because the files would all be deleted after closing the page.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

maybe because zeronet is really badly designed and puts people off?

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you mean that the sites on ZeroNet are poorly designed?

What's better? Bitch on Gab until the corporations realize that they want to respect our rights after all?

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you mean that the sites on ZeroNet are poorly designed?

There's a big discussion on it here somewhere (https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/757s/amazon_to_take_parler_offline_the_third_tech/) . The user control of downloaded and shared content is minimal, requiring huge amounts of trust and or diligence on the part of the user to avoid hosting objectionable / illegal content

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The other poster seems to debate the issue well enough. The problems you describe says seen like problems that can be addressed. The thing I didn't see discussed I asked before:

What's better? Bitch on Gab until the corporations realize that they want to respect our rights after all?

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The tech is getting there, but it's not quite there yet