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[–]AnarchySpeach 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

Trump is a Zionist shill.

I don't believe in Jew magic. The amount of stuff Trump has bluntly lucked into is beyond skill. If Trump cared about the lottery he'd win it, toss the ticket on the floor, and a democrat would slip on it like a banana peel. That's how ridiculous this has become.

Bernie, a Leftist Zionist, shilled for Corporatist Hilary

He only dropped out because the democrats threatened to shit on him if he stayed. I don't believe for a second he wanted to give Hillary anything. They basically put a gun to his political career and forced him to walk away for 4 years. You see Hillary up there running against him again? Nope. They realized their fuckup, she's gonna let Bernie have his turn.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

He only dropped out because the democrats threatened to shit on him if he stayed.

You have evidence for that. Because Bernie has a long history of being a war-monger, though he was neutral on the Iraq War. He is for a two state solution abd is clearly a Zionist. Politicis in theater. Sanders is a millionaire I don't think he really cares about the American people, for he wouldn't openly shill for Hillary. I called it months before it even happened, because I saw the dialectic and then others from there who knew the ruse of elections understood it that Trump would be the winner. It doesn't really matter though, because to vote under Blacks Law is to waive your rights, GOD'S LAW, that of you being a soverign like a king. You make a contract to appoint a president for a corporation, ie, UNITED STATES corporation &c., we are not a country and until you know that you will be fooled into voting for losers who do not care about the country. Look up congress people if you don not believe me, there names are incorporated and they sit in a star chamber, meaning they do not represent WE THE PEOLE.

Bernie the shill, millionaire is still in politics, they didn't put a gun up to his political career, for he would let his supporters know such a thing, and yet he shilled for a corporatist, so hard in fact, that he got his die hard fans to vote for Clinton. How deluded do you have to believe to not see this dialectic. It happens over and over again.

They realized their fuckup, she's gonna let Bernie have his turn.

No they didn't, it was concocted intentionally.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Because Bernie has a long history of being a war-monger,

Not debating that. It's true, he is, but he also thinks the pointless wars don't deserve so much wasted money.

neutral on the Iraq War.

Personally, I think the start of the war was partly necessary, but it should never have escalated into the shit show it has become. I'm amazed people are still in support of continually wasting assets there.

Sanders is a millionaire

Virtually every politician is rich, or is friends with very rich friends. It's impossible to run nowadays without deep pockets somewhere.

openly shill for Hillary.

If Hillary & Bernie had both remained in the race the party would have been split. They chose Bernie (for reasons I will never understand) and it failed. They asked him to drop out. He accepted because he understood if he stayed in everything on CNN for the next decade would blame him in some bullshit way for it.

to vote under Blacks Law is to waive your rights,

You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

GOD'S LAW, that of you being a soverign like a king.

You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

we are not a country and until you know that you will be fooled into voting for losers who do not care about the country.

Sure we are. Idiots beleive the lies the media tells them, so they vote according to information they're too lazy to fact check, and boom. You get the current shit show we have today. All of it legally. Why do you think public education in this country is so shit? Gotta keep the average person stupid so they never question the stuff they're told.

they sit in a star chamber, meaning they do not represent WE THE PEOLE.

What?

for he would let his supporters know such a thing,

How could he have told his supporters? If he said one word against Hillary after dropping out the democrats would've made him the scapegoat for everything for years to come.

so hard in fact, that he got his die hard fans to vote for Clinton.

Dude didn't have a choice in the matter. He didn't want Trump, Hillary refused to drop out, and betting on an old horse failed.

How deluded do you have to believe to not see this dialectic.

Fuck you?

concocted intentionally.

You've actually lost your marbles if you honestly think the democrats and republicans conspired together to get Trump elected. You have no proof to support it.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Look up congress and STAR CHAMBER in Black's Law 4th edition. Many congressmen and congresswomen have slipped up and used this term to describe the people they serve, it's personhood, which is a corporation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Chamber

As the U.S. Supreme Court described it

"the Star Chamber has, for centuries, symbolized disregard of basic individual rights. The Star Chamber not merely allowed, but required, defendants to have counsel. The defendant's answer to an indictment was not accepted unless it was signed by counsel. When counsel refused to sign the answer, for whatever reason, the defendant was considered to have confessed."[17]


When you vote, you waive your rights to contract a president for a corporation, they are under the jurisdiction of the corporation ie the UNTIED STATES. Look up Blacks Law or even the legal term for the United States. The United States is a corporation. The state is a corporation and even your local municipality is a corporation. They even incorporate you through Social Security upon birth to serve said corporation, tricking your parents into signing your Sovereignty away. The United States became a corporation after the civil war in the 1860's. Frankfurt bankers as well sought to deestroy the republic by establishing a central bank with help from Lincoln based on debt backed bonds, which were called greenbacks. The losers who peddle the conspiracy that Lincoln was killed because he was against the moeny power, is beyond stupid, but they peddle it nevertheless to perpetuate the very system in place today. Permanent Public Debt, with high taxes on serfs, you and I, as collateral. Don't pay your property tax, then they take your home away. Hence, you don't own your home and do not have allodial title.

God's Law, which the Queen and King's abide to have allodial title. Meaning they actually own their assets and more specifically their property. They may or may not be slaves to these possession but nevertheless, they own them. The serfs did not own any property nor the citizens of England. They were not allowed allodial title. Our founders, left making it law to own property in the US based on allodial title. THis was slowly taken away from the common person when the US became a corporation, and we signed our rights away for convenience sake and ignorance.

God's Law means in broad terms allodial title. God's Law is what the United States for America, not OF, was founded on.

You've actually lost your marbles if you honestly think the democrats and republicans conspired together to get Trump elected. You have no proof to support it.

They did, the top tier of the democrats and GOP, most of them ardent Zionists and until you realize it is all about money flow, and that the democrats and republicans serve a corporation, and most of the stuff you see on TV and read in the news is political theater, you will continue to waive your rights. God bless and peace. And I hope you take the time to research. Buy Blacks Law 4th edition, read this and this:

http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/uregina/speeches.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/yamaguchy-incorporated/national-currency/hardcover/product-23317392.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/william-gouge/history-of-paper-money-and-banking/hardcover/product-24381942.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/henry-loucks/the-great-conspiracy-of-the-house-of-morgan-exposed/hardcover/product-14304353.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/gordon-clark/shylock-as-banker/hardcover/product-24413556.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/charles-lindbergh/banking-and-currency-and-the-money-trust/hardcover/product-24110269.html

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[–]AnarchySpeach 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This is... This is... Wow. I am speechless. This is a lot of information. The kind of "Why the fuck isn't this taught in schools?" level of information. There's enough here to teach a college class about it.

I'm just speechless. This is one of the most terrifying things I have ever read on the internet. I've barely skimmed half of it and I'm amazed how I never knew any of this.

I'm guessing you've spent more time reading this than the 20 minutes I have. What's your opinion on Bitcoin?

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Keep in mind, many people think England is still a monarchy but in the 13th century the country was incorporated and is now and has been a corporation, hence money flow.

Bitcoin is a scam. Nobody knows who created it but clearly it was created by someone or some entity. Satoshi, it is said created bitcoin. What does this name mean, it means the rise of the phenoix. Order out of chaos.

If anything else, a new currency, based on blockchain for nationstates will be used based on an SDR system. The Bank for International Settlements has written many articles about this transformation. When will it occur, I do not know.

But the new world order happened in 1863 and continued when the FED was created and when Social Security numbers were issued.

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Bitcoin is a scam.

Isn't it better we don't know who made it? The code itself seems rather full proof in it's simple design.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Tbh, I followed the same little rabbit hole you basically just did - Trump was my final straw. I saw everything /u/Jesus discussed about Trump after his election, and more, including corruption and hypocrisy.

If you remember, Trump's whole campaign was very nationalistic and focused on "Making America Great Again" - focusing on the things that were bringing us down as a nation and correcting them, "draining the swamp". I've still got time to grow, and at the time of his campaign I was even younger and more gullible, but I was at the point of truly believing in my heart all elections were just political theater to give people the illusion of free-will and choice. When Trump started to run (someone who technically wasn't a politician like the rest), and wasn't afraid to say what he thought as well as was so focused on fixing "our problems", I thought I'd sit back and watch and give this thing one more chance and see what happens - in my heart I knew it was bullshit of course, but I still wanted to be proved wrong.

There's a reason Trump is called and often referred to as (one of) Israel's Best "US Presidents". Do you remember the government shut down that allegedly happened partially due to arguments over the construction of the boarder wall? Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, (who both seem to be more pro-Israeli than pro-American), were arguing during this time that the United States couldn't afford the requested budget at the time of $5.7 billion to construct the wall (in order to keep illegal immigrants as well as gang members out (which honestly did start to become a problem with MS-13 in certain states), as well as to stop drug and human trafficking, which are both big issues we have with that boarder), so the government shut-down happened. But during the government shut-down, we sent an installment of our 38 Billion "Military Foreign-Aid Deal" with Israel (which I don't understand why we even have as they are more than capable of defending themselves; Trump literally said he was going to crack down on foreign aid and focus interests on Americans.. right?), which they then used to build another wall to further protect "their land" from Palestinians. Trump also said it was time for the US to stop playing world police, and then he announced our country's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's official capital.

Why do Nancy, Chuck and other Zionist/Pro/Dual-Israeli Citizens believe walls work, and support them in Israel, but think they're medieval, stupid and a waste of money in the United States? And if we as citizens, wish to use our tax money to secure our boarders because we're noticing a negative change occurring, how come we aren't allowed to, but the government can send our money in massive amounts to foreign nations, so those countries can build walls to secure their boarders? And why does Trump say one thing, and do another? So many questions if you actually believe this is all organic and authentic.

You can even check MotherJones for more information on how much foreign aid we've given to Israel.. It's almost as if.. We're their proxy? https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/us-israel-foreign-aid-military-bankroll/

Just read this article and see how they themselves, speak about their own people like Bernie Sanders. Honestly, they may wear different colors, it may be red vs blue, but at the end of the day, they are all on the same team. It's a hard truth I've come to accept, just like the fact that we'll probably never truly understand the true scope or reasoning behind all things that go on.

But if you're looking for truth, you can only hide from the authentic truth for so long. That's why censorship is becoming such a big issue.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/AnarchySpeach

...but I was at the point of truly believing in my heart all elections were just political theater to give people the illusion of free-will and choice.

That they are, but you still have freedom of choice which God's Law and God the creator of the universe bestowed on all his creation. Decisions are made, and once they are made, they are final. It's sometimes a choice between truth or lies. Pursuing the good and living a rightful, righteous living or pursuing evil and living a greedy, self-righteous, undisciplined living. We all have a choice on how me must and should live. The system is corrupt to its core, but it has the facade of a working institution that merely needs your help in VOTING out the corrupted. My belief is that this is wishful thinking. When we understand it that congress is incorporated, our country a corporation, and the entire constitution annulled after the civil war based by the jurisdiction on which you have tacitly signed in agreement, i.e. a Social Security#, you'll start to see past the theater and dig to the heart of the problem which has plagued generations in the US and entire civilizations since antiquity. Despite all the technology, the US, today, a corportocracy and its usurious practices and greed is no different than the Rome upon its fall.

[To note: Look at your name on your credit card, drivers license, voting ID card, etc., do you notice something? That isn't you, the names are all in capital letters, ask yourself why that is. There's a legal justification for it.]

When Andrew Jackson said:

The paper-money system and its natural associations –monopoly and exclusive privileges– have already struck their roots too deep in the soil, and it will require all your efforts to check its further growth and to eradicate the evil. The men who profit by the abuses and desire to perpetuate them will continue to besiege the halls of legislation in the General Government as well as in the States, and will seek by every artifice to mislead and deceive the public servants. It is to yourselves that you must look for safety and the means of guarding and perpetuating your free institutions. In your hands is rightfully placed the sovereignty of the country, and to you everyone placed in authority is ultimately responsible. It is always in your power to see that the wishes of the people are carried into faithful execution, and their will, when once made known, must sooner or later be obeyed; and while the people remain, as I trust they ever will, uncorrupted and incorruptible, and continue watchful and jealous of their rights, the Government is safe, and the cause of freedom will continue to triumph over all its enemies.

But it will require steady and persevering exertions on your part to rid yourselves of the iniquities and mischiefs of the paper system and to check the spirit of monopoly and other abuses which have sprung up with it, and of which it is the main support. So many interests are united to resist all reform on this subject that you must not hope the conflict will be a short one nor success easy. My humble efforts have not been spared during my administration of the Government to restore the constitutional currency of gold and silver, and something, I trust, has been done toward the accomplishment of this most desirable object; but enough yet remains to require all your energy and perseverance. The power, however, is in your hands, and the remedy must and will be applied if you determine upon it.”

President Jackson called the attention of the people to the necessity of being vigilant, year after year; the necessity of constantly educating themselves –and not waiting for others, for cheer-leaders and heroes, to do the informing and the vigilance for them; to do the preserving their rights for them.

See, you do have a choice to fight and stand up for your rights under God, his law, or to do good and give to others or to take away from others. You do not need to participate in the current system. Will that decision change your current trajectory? Will it make it harder to live? Probably.

Politics is theater and theater is counterintelligence. It's like the burglary at the FBI which exposed their counterintelligence program (COINTELPRO). Maybe, that very narrative, that very exposure, was counterintelligence. Think about that.

It is clear that during the end of Obama's presidency, many liberals and a galore of die hard fans started to question his ethics and party. They, being staunch haters of the GOP candidates were at a confused crossroad, questioning their surroundings. Those who might have voted for Bush also had enough of his lies, knowing the neoconservative, Zionist (neo-Trotskyites) that stood behind him in the executive branch as well as their Think Tanks. These warmongers were behind Bush, and then Obama, the latter considered to be more favorable to the neoconservative agenda, as denoted by Robert Kagen. Trump is backed by these same Zionists.

Trump's campaign was reverse psychology. A psychological operation. He said all the right things and was backed by very little of the money power publicly. The elites played it out like he was against the establishment, as did he. He uses the 'fake news' term which effectively whitewashes the definition of propaganda, perception management and PsyOps, very much like how he uses the term hoax. He does this for a variety of reasons.

The first, is to confuse the commonality and meaning of words such as the ones listed above. If they are stripped of their meaning, it will be harder to pinpoint lies, and manipulation campaigns.

Two, his behavior is meant to divide and conquer; it is coordinated this way. And represents the antithesis of the smooth speaking Obama and his presidency. Of course, this excludes both of their warmongering and despicable actions, but to many, the only thing that matters is their personality and what they say. Hence, divide and conquer.

The third, is to give the media credibility! Well how would Trump do such a thing?

When you understand it that more and more people were waking up to the lies concerning 9/11 and the war in Iraq, it makes plenty of sense that they needed a punching bag like Trump. On one extremity, the liberals who started to question 9/11 and Obama's presidency as well as the left-leaning mockingbird style corporate news: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc., that they might have, oh so, worshiped as factual information during the Bush years, became curious and started to see through the illusion of the two party sham. Same too with the conservatives. Trump pulled people back into the mythics and PsyOps of the corporate media. His partisan supporters raced to Fox News, and right leaning sources, the left or those who who might have questioned the media at one time raced towards media that defended the corportocracy and elites but bashed Trump in a LIMITED HANGOUT operation, think the Anthrax cover-upper, Robert Mueller. Thus, Trump gave credibility to the media but on a partisan basis. Hence, divide and conquer.

As for the centrists, who might have saw through the charade, they sought to filter out the fluff and get to the truths that they sought-after. Of course, they, as did everyone, believed the stories that came out, like the controlled oppositions do. In another words, they believe the stories occurred, their view is that the media spins it and/or is biased.

What few know, is that many times these events, these stories are entirely fictional, false, concoctions, PsyOps; after all, they are legal under the Smith Mundt Modernization Act of 2012. The media is far more powerful than the president or anyone else. They can effectively control consciousness. Both sides are then pitted against each other whilst they fight over bias rather than complicity and the staging of PsyOps. Therefore, if you take part in this deception, you are under its spell, even if you believe both sides are biased.

But during the government shut-down, we sent an installment of our 38 Billion "Military Foreign-Aid Deal" with Israel

And do not forget the fake mass shooting on the 33rd day of the US Corporation shutdown.

Just read this article and see how they themselves, speak about their own people like Bernie Sanders. Honestly, they may wear different colors, it may be red vs blue, but at the end of the day, they are all on the same team. It's a hard truth I've come to accept, just like the fact that we'll probably never truly understand the true scope or reasoning behind all things that go on. But if you're looking for truth, you can only hide from the authentic truth for so long. That's why censorship is becoming such a big issue.

And that is the moral of the story.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

installment of our 38 Billion "Military Foreign-Aid Deal" with Israel (which I don't understand why we even have as they are more than capable of defending themselves;

To put it bluntly: We're buying an alliance and hoping it doesn't backfire. Same way a dude pays a hooker and prays they don't catch anything.

Despite the insanely high cost for something not worth a 10th of that, the U.S. has too many politicians with friends that would choose Israel over America, which has resulted in the government being unable to stop hemorrhaging money. Having Israel as a friend wouldn't be that bad. I think we can agree the price is too high right now.

It'd be like if the U.S. was sending shitloads of money to the Vatican. No Catholic politician would vote to stop that flow of money. They'd increase it. Make it worse.

Separation of Church and State is a very nice idea that fails miserably when attempted. There's a reason China's got police raiding unsanctioned basement churches. They realize the threat a foreign leader poses if it continues to have control over a growing number of the population.

At the same time I recognize the abysmal treatment the Chinese people suffer under such an abusive rule. It sucks, but I'd rather spend the $38b and keep my freedoms then attempt a religious purge of the government.

I don't have an answer for the problems this country is facing. Nor can I perceive a solution. If by some miracle we stopped giving away free money, you said it yourself:

they are more than capable of defending themselves;

We'd lose them as an ally in an instant. $38b is nothing to sniff at. The second we stop becoming a wallet for them they will ignore us, or worse, declare us an enemy. Considering the sizable portion of their faith that co-exists in American politics an outright demonization of our country over money would prove to be quite damaging to any military assets we have in the area. That would have serious ramifications that could take decades to repair, if at all.

Blind hate has to be taken out of the equation when considering the bigger picture here. We need them more than they need us and they have the political control to maintain the arrangement in their favor. There's nothing I can think of that could change it.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

An alliance? More like an infiltration.

There's nothing I can think of that could change it.

You could withold funds, ban dual citizenship in the government and erradicate central banking based on permanent public debt.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Bitcoin is not fool proof, and is easily trackable. All we are doingm by using these worthless digital credits is setting up for a future SDR based digital system.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trackable. Sure. But impossible to stop transactions. That's a big step in the right direction.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You forget that billionaires backed him in his bid to run for presidency and an electoral college voted him in. Its almost like you can't see that the world is controlled by a deep state and the elites lead you to what you should think and see. lol

Username mismatch!

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

billionaires backed him

Every. Politician. Has money backing them.

You can't run for president and expect to win without a few mill at the ready. The more money, the better your odds, but that doesn't guarantee a win.

deep state and the elites lead you to what you should think and see.

How many people do you know, over the age of 35, who actively check the sources of things they read online?

How many people do you know who believe in ghosts and superstitions?

I can see the puppet strings just fine, thank you, but our disagreement comes from the number of masters controlling it all. I do not believe one council can possibly control all of this chaos. That's just insane. Technology isn't there yet. We are getting dangerously close.

Major corporations (several of them) are all in bed with each other. That's a fact if you delve into the board members and who they're friends with. I can prove enough to be suspicious.

The democrats and republicans working together to control the U.S. government? On some issues, yes. It's obvious to see, but they're not unified enough for a takeover. Virginia is proof enough that the two parties still have enough disagreements to prevent a full merger of both sides for maximum control. I can't see behind the curtain. I'm just aware of the screaming happening behind it and it sounds like they're not united (yet.)

Do I believe in a group controlling all countries? No. I fail to see enough movement of resources. Optimally, if the planet agreed, it wouldn't be that hard to turn one country into a trash heap to benefit everybody else (including themselves.)

As for my username, I believe the ability to speak unhindered, uncensored, and without fear is the last way for any formal Anarchist basis to exist. I do not believe anarchy could ever exist in a physical sense, only verbal. A pessimistic view, maybe, but that's what I believe.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I do not believe anarchy could ever exist in a physical sense, only verbal. A pessimistic view, maybe, but that's what I believe.

That is where you and I disagree :P

But the path to make that into a reality, involves unraveling some basic historical mistakes. That might just be in the works now.. who knoes?

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The closest anarchy could achieve into the physical would have to be the virtual. A place where people could touch, smell, hear, with all the sensations in between without ever asking permission to use ones self. SAO isn't happening for 100 years, but tactile suits aren't far away from a possibility. Virtual smells can be achieved through technology (stupid anti-vape laws delayed it, but the technology exists.) Force-feedback for hands exist. They're just too expensive for the average consumer right now ($5k per glove.)

So long as somebody can force their will onto you true anarchy cannot exist. Through virtual interfaces we have complete and absolute control over ourselves and our homes. No rape, no murder, no theft. These things cannot be removed from physical society in the real world. They can virtually.

When prices drop to something reasonable in the next 20 years expect governments to crack down. They won't want this utopia outside their control. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to make advanced virtual interfaces illegal in 2040 to maintain control over us.

When people start to experience these worlds, start making new friends, and get a taste of a stress-free environment: People will hate the bullshit laws the government has been enforcing for millennia. I don't fear cops. I don't fear cops shooting me. Getting arrested doesn't scare me. The bullshit legal fees do. That is what scares the law abiding citizen. From medical bills, to taxes, to all the economic problems that really don't need to exist, and only exist to keep the poor drowning in filth.

Imagine what would happen when the poor middle class barely making ends meet can wake up everyday in a gold plated palace for a one time purchasing price. There won't be a bunch of people buying useless shit because they'll be getting all for free. Sure, you could buy the latest virtual game, but how many people Torrent stuff already? Now imagine people were torrenting everything.

Economies with either be forced to restructure, collapse, or governments will outright ban these happy machines.

To some people this is a distopian nightmare. To me, it seems the rich bought the world, and they'll finally be powerless to stop the lower classes from demanding respect.

I can accept the current dumpster fire because I know it will eventually burn itself out.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So long as somebody can force their will onto you true anarchy cannot exist. Through virtual interfaces we have complete and absolute control over ourselves and our homes.

I think your response is a little misguided. Information generation and experience generation is the first thing that the state would adopt before it can hit the market appropriately. The first thing they would do is delimit the ability to experience sensations and constrain biology even further, this believe it or not; is already in the works right now along some corners of the authoritarian internet as well as physical society. On top of all this, the physics pertaining to virtual reality are not clear cut or conducive due to negative side effects from EMF fields that can impair glandular mechanisms.

There is still a lot of groundwork to be established before any of this could become reality but the virtual can't be the only "escape". That would be a divided reality, not unified.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The first thing they would do is delimit the ability to experience sensations

People have a tendency to improve things beyond their control. I could make a nuke in my garage if you gave me the right materials. The only thing stopping the average terrorist is the lack of restricted materials. As soon as someone figures out to it I have a hard time believing word won't get out. U.S. had nuke plans stolen by the soviets. With a team of trusted security they couldn't keep it locked away for very long.

That would be a divided reality, not unified.

The rich own the physical and have the guns to protect it. They can have it. True unity will come for those of us in the machine, while the "rich" can continue to fight over shiny rocks.

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I could make a nuke in my garage if you gave me the right materials. The only thing stopping the average terrorist is the lack of restricted materials.

These arguments lack practicality though. You can't smoke some herb of your choice without a license, you can't purchase raw milk without proof that you are a farmer wanting to feed younger animals, you can't collect rain water for yourself unless you have valid reasons. Building a nuke, as cool as it sounds can't be the first thing on the list.

The rich own the physical and have the guns to protect it. They can have it. True unity will come for those of us in the machine, while the "rich" can continue to fight over shiny rocks.

They can also go fuck themselves and burn in hell. The physical doesn't belong to them- ever, no matter their dumb justifications and I'm not united in this machine :P

Edit: Hive minds can do whatever they like, but in the end; they will fall together because they were doomed from the very beginning.

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These arguments lack practicality though.

Extreme examples provoke extreme emotions. A little overkill, the core concept remains the same: Restricting access to items, through paperwork or outright banning, is a method governments have always used to maintain control. North Korea still managed to make a nuke and my next door neighbor still managed to grow pot. The laws slow people down. They're never 100% successful. When it comes to world spanning implications, Advance VR is the Nuke in terms of complexity and danger posed to governments around the world. It only takes one person to figure out an improvement and release it to the public. 3D printed guns have reached over 100 rounds. A major improvement over the single shot hand grenades people once feared to test. Improvements continue to this day from individuals around the world occasionally posting better designs. I believe VR will be similar, if only slower in advancement cycles.

They can also go fuck themselves

Agreed.

and burn in hell.

They bought hell too./s

The physical doesn't belong to them

Native Americans thought the same thing. "You can't buy land. You gonna buy a cloud next?"

Narrator: They indeed bought the cloud next.

At the end of the day, stuff belongs to those strong enough to take it. Make every's strength equal (like in a virtual machine) and nobody can take without permission.

no matter their dumb justifications

Guns. Lots of lots of guns. All the justifications they need.

I'm not united in this machine :P

Okay Morpheus. Continue the good fight. I'm gonna enjoy the steak I ordered and hope for the best.

Edit: What?

Hive minds

I was talking more like Ready Player One. lol

Elon's fancy brain interface will be made illegal as soon it poses a threat. If it ever works to begin with.