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[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hardly know what to say since everything you wrote is simply wrong. But why don't you tell me about ancient Athens, which of "their heroic, beloved leaders died in exile or were killed"? Not Solon or Pericles, their best leaders.