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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why should elites necessarily be malevolent?

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The elites are people who seek power. What kind of people seek power? Those who seek truth, beauty, quality, or any other good never rise to be among the elite.

[–]wary_observer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, religious and intellectual leadership is needed, both to guide the masses and to counterbalance the destructive tendencies of sociopathic elites. Since this leadership is mostly gone, society will continue to deteriorate until a stable dark age or idiocracy-type situation is reached. There is little individuals can do to build communities in such a situation.

You, dear reader, are to blame for failing to take any action to rectify the current situation even for yourself.

In what ways can decent individuals substantially improve their own lives, let alone rectify the situation, in a society as depraved as this one? It's all but impossible through individual effort. Some level of decency must exist in society in order for individual action to have any effect. Decency and good values are not only rare, but are actively suppressed, while bad values are imposed and enforced. And now international travel is being suppressed, so it's increasingly difficult for individuals to improve their own lives by going to a less depraved place.

You haven't produced anything of value that could improve the world.

I think it's unrealistic to expect individuals just to step up and create value, because there is (a) no support to do so and (b) modern society hates and seeks actively to destroy anything of real value. Many people who would produce value in a better society are unable to do so now, for various reasons. They may be excluded from the relevant positions where they could do so, because of sex and race quotas, or because of their political views or personality (decent people are not wanted). If they are able to secure a position, they may still be unable to produce value because producing value is not their organization's priority.

As for purely individual efforts, usually people can't produce something of value in their spare time, for lack of time, resources and feedback. If a genius programmer or inventor does manage something like this, the idea is either stolen or ignored. Normally, individuals contribute value to society in the context and with the support of an already functioning local community, which provides a range of ways for them to do so: in a religion, in a trade or profession, in voluntary organizations, informally among neighbors and friends, in extended families. These structures were built over several or many generations, but now are all but destroyed.

You haven't sought out decent people to possibly form decent communities

The few remaining decent communities have high barriers to entry, whether formal or informal.

You haven't supported conservative religions that are needed to give moral guidance to the moronic masses.

In the past year and half, a lot of decent churchgoing people who thought they were supporting conservative religions found out that their leadership is aligned with the satanic global regime, and totally unqualified to give moral guidance. The few remaining religious communities that have not capitulated are difficult to join for various reasons.

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, religious and intellectual leadership is needed, both to guide the masses and to counterbalance the destructive tendencies of sociopathic elites. Since this leadership is mostly gone, society will continue to deteriorate until a stable dark age or idiocracy-type situation is reached. There is little individuals can do to build communities in such a situation.

The obvious counterexample is the monastic movement in late Rome.

In what ways can decent individuals substantially improve their own lives, let alone rectify the situation, in a society as depraved as this one? It's all but impossible through individual effort. Some level of decency must exist in society in order for individual action to have any effect. Decency and good values are not only rare, but are actively suppressed, while bad values are imposed and enforced. And now international travel is being suppressed, so it's increasingly difficult for individuals to improve their own lives by going to a less depraved place.

As you know, there still are options for places to move to. This is one step. Another is to get married and form a decent family. This helps both you and the future.

I think it's unrealistic to expect individuals just to step up and create value, because there is (a) no support to do so and (b) modern society hates and seeks actively to destroy anything of real value.

Not everyone has the skills to create value, but those who do generally fail to create value because of lack of will. We have a very current example here. The only reason that there doesn't exist a free speech Reddit alternative is lack of will. Now that the tech guy running SaidIt has developed the will, it will be done. The problem was never opposition from modern culture. The problem just the lack of will to do it.

The few remaining decent communities have high barriers to entry, whether formal or informal.

Yes this is challenging, but forming or joining decent communities is so important that deserves continuous effort to find a solution.

In the past year and half, a lot of decent churchgoing people who thought they were supporting conservative religions found out that their leadership is aligned with the satanic global regime, and totally unqualified to give moral guidance. The few remaining religious communities that have not capitulated are difficult to join for various reasons.

Let us thank God for covid and the vaccine which allows us to easily distinguish between good and evil. This was actually the biggest problem in the past, and now it is solved. Now we know where it is worth trying to focus our energy.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

nah it's elite's fault

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The idea of nice goodness is very recent.

In the past might was right. Only sociopaths rose to the top. Society managed this by having a system of removing them when they got too powerful or stopped being useful.

Unfortunately as society has got kinder and nicer those ways to get rid of powerful men have been outlawed so we have to put up with them unless you can prove they have broken some rule.

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Nice goodness is old. Tribes had it. Even packs of animals have it. Scaling it up was hard, but the Ancient Athenians figured it out.

In general, a limited democracy of religious non-morons will not be dominated by sociopaths.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Equality in tribes is managed by everyone constantly competing to keep everyone at the same level. Human jealous exists so strongly that happiness and self esteem depend more on what others around you have than what you have. In tribal societies this jealously works to keep people working up and knocking others down to the same level. It's not nice, it's brutal, it just looks nice when you're not involved personally.

Tribes were exactly what I was talking about. Most have some systems whereby if a big man gets too much power a group of elders will get together to force him out or even have him murdered. This was how humanity worked for thousands of years.

This is exactly what also happened in ancient Athens. Almost all their heroic, beloved leaders died in exile or were killed. Ancient Greeks also very much believed that might is right. Their heroes were mad men and murderous psychopaths.

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hardly know what to say since everything you wrote is simply wrong. But why don't you tell me about ancient Athens, which of "their heroic, beloved leaders died in exile or were killed"? Not Solon or Pericles, their best leaders.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Would you agree that many who used to browse r/incel and r/braincel were helpless conservatives? Helpless in the sense that they did not have any influence in the modern society

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, helpless conservatives. Helpless because they were unwilling to do anything to help themselves.