Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Let's never solve any concrete problems because someone always has to have some abstract concern.

Now you are contradicting your previous point:

What will the pedophiles say when they come for their gigabytes of cp? What will the pill pushers say when their supply lines are cut? What will the murderers say when they're placed at the scene by cell records? Who will think of the criminals???

Seems like you're the one making abstract concerns to prevent action from being taken... now you're accusing me of the same.

We've been on the slippery slope forever, and yet somehow we haven't slipped.

We slipped a long time ago. What is happening right now with search-and-seizure is criminal.

Do you know what look a lot more like an authoritarian regime?

3 million people locked in concrete cages, most of whom committed victim-less "crimes"?

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The example of the pedophiles and murderers are concrete examples, they are real crimes and criminals that are impeded by the ability of the government to monitor their actions.

3 million people locked in concrete cages, most of whom committed victim-less "crimes"?

What are your stats? Even so, I suspect the "victemless" claim is an abstraction as well.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's not when most are in for recreational personal drug use, from a drug war started in the 1980s: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/US_incarceration_timeline-clean.svg/1200px-US_incarceration_timeline-clean.svg.png

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's a myth, only a small percentage of incarcerations are related to drug possession. Most are in for violent and property crime. The best argument I've seen for the large population in prison is the trend of prosecutors filing harsher charges and asking for harsher sentences and having them granted by judges, in order for both to claim they are being tough on crime.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Literally just dipped under 50%

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/drug-war-mass-incarceration_n_3034310

Myth my ass. I gave you stats.

Most are in for violent and property crime.

Obviously wrong. Where are your stats? Or are you just making things up?

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The article you mention talks about federal prisoners, not all prisoners.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2019.html "at the state and local levels, far more people are locked up for violent and property offenses than for drug offenses alone"

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You really seem to be splitting hairs to me and missing the larger point, but ok

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The larger point is that most people in prison are thre for good cause, it's more a question of how long they should stay, and whether their sentences fit the crime. Rich white guys fair a lot better than poor black guys.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The larger point is that most people in prison are thre for good cause

I don't agree with that statement, that's the whole point I'm making.