Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

what's more likely is police are under-reporting crime to make their precincts look good.

What makes that more likely?

Also our prison population is at an all-time world high, both in raw numbers and per-capita.

That doesn't mean crime is higher.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Having a world record prison population doesn't mean we have a record number of criminals? Then why are they in prison?

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The idea that prison population and crime rates relate is only theoretical. It could also be due to changes in sentencing guidelines, and that the privatization of prisons having created an economic motivation to fill prisons, including the bribing of judges, aka "kids for cash".

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In response to what you said, let me repeat something you said earlier.

What will the pedophiles say when they come for their gigabytes of cp? What will the pill pushers say when their supply lines are cut? What will the murderers say when they're placed at the scene by cell records? Who will think of the criminals???

Now you're "thinking of the criminals" just like you were making fun of someone else for doing at the start of this discussion. So I don't even know what we're talking about anymore since you're basically taking the inverse stance you were taking at the start.

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm sorry but you're not making sense to me. Bigger population in prisons does not prove more crime has occurred, as you asserted. There are other plausible explanations. I also have no cause to believe that police suddenly decided to under report crime during the past thirty years.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I mean is the start of this conversation was

What will supporters of the police state say when their beloved police come to arrest them for racist hate speech, to confiscate their guns, and to force them to board trains headed to the concentration camps?

And then you immediately made fun of him for "thinking of criminals" but now you're here telling me prisons are corrupt and keeping lots of people who aren't prisoners. Which is it?

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but now you're here telling me prisons are corrupt and keeping lots of people who aren't prisoners. Which is it?

People who are not prisoners? They certainly are prisoners. You mean not deserving criminals, I didnt say they werent that, either. They same number of criminals might simply be kept in prison a lot longer than they had been, leading to a glut of imprisoned people.

In general, it's not that you're necessarily wrong, it's that you make big leaps of logic that aren't underpinned with hard facts, just conjecture.