Heat waves currently happening in North America, Europe 'virtually impossible' without climate change: Report

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[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

unless you actually extend the patterns examined back ~200 years (the report uses data only back to 1950 )

and stop cherrypicking your 'evidence'

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Cherrypicking when you leave out specific data that doesn't fit the narrative you want to tell. Taking all the data since 1950 is not cherrypicking. It's choosing a start point.

Choosing a start point is necessary because records of heatwaves don't go back forever. And because the quality of the records improves with time, there's reasons that you might make a certain call. (And why the report looks at Southern Europe and America, and not Africa.)

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

try to get the idea that two different lines might be expressing two separate ideas/proposals

and notice you are quibbling about wordings when you got the ideas but dont actually counter them

1950 - you ever hear the espression about hitler going into russian and facing the worst winter in 50 years which also was said about when napoleaon did ??

so possibly they avoided a span of data which showed a trend which doesnt fit their agenda

[–]ActuallyNot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

try to get the idea that two different lines might be expressing two separate ideas/proposals

Can you elaborate on what these two ideas/proposals are?

and notice you are quibbling about wordings when you got the ideas but dont actually counter them

The attribution research shows that the European heatwave is a 1 in 10 year event. Without AGW, it would have been a 1 in 250 year event.

I don't see what to counter. What are the numbers that you claim are correct?

1950 - you ever hear the espression about hitler going into russian and facing the worst winter in 50 years which also was said about when napoleaon did ??

Nope. But if you think a cold winter in eastern Europe will reduce heatwaves in the following years ... or even that year ..., show me by how much.

so possibly they avoided a span of data which showed a trend which doesnt fit their agenda

Nope. They just took the largest data set they could and have it be reliable.