Canada's Trudeau announces plan to ban handgun purchases in the fall, followed by mandatory 'buybacks' aka confiscations

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[–]chadwickofwv 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The next step is genocide.

[–]portace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

already done, what's next?

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

Canadian here. I've come to say that I have no problem with this. Specifically:

  • Taking away the firearms licenses of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking - No argument here
  • Requiring long-gun magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds - They're already not allowed to hold more than 5, but all they do now is put an easily removable screw in the higher capacity magazines so it stops people from loading more. The new legislation looks like it will only allow mags that can't be altered.
  • The freeze on handgun ownership looks like it is aimed at people not being able to buy a gun and sell it to an unlicensed owner. Not sure how much of that it a problem, as most of the criminal guns in Canada seem to be smuggled in from the US. Also, it's worth noting that if you own a handgun, it has to be stored in a safe at a gun club. I don't think you're allowed to keep it at home.
  • The buyback looks like it is for AR-style weapons, which have already been banned.

I know other Canadians here will disagree with my opinions, and more power to you. I was the first in line to register my rifle when there was a long gun registry, and I'd do it again. As the article says, in Canada gun ownership is a privilege, not a right.

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    [–]portace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    first step to an actual solution is taking guns away from criminals, but the government would never disarm itself

    [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Luckily, mass shootings are a problem that almost doesn't exist in Canada. And a big part of the reason for that is because we never had the unfettered access to weapons that there is in the USA. It's too late for them to put their genie back in the bottle, so I've got no opinion on their situation regarding gun control.

    Also, you're still allowed to have a hunting rifle in Canada and keep it in your home. This law won't change that.

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      [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes it could, you are right. And it has in Canada (note above where I said almost doesn't exist). The worst in our modern history happened a couple of years ago in my province. The guy did it with just a couple of handguns. 22 dead.

      [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Also, I agree with you on the garbage practice of the media amplifying mass shooters' names. In the above mass shooting, we clamped down by general accord pretty quickly on saying his name. I don't even remember it. When it's mentioned in online conversations, we mostly either focus on the victims, or we refer to him as 'that piece of shit'.

      [–]HiddenFox 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Taking away the firearms licenses of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking - No argument here Agreed, common sense.

      Requiring long-gun magazines to be permanently altered so they can never hold more than five rounds Easy to get around for someone with any determination. Will do nothing.

      it's worth noting that if you own a handgun, it has to be stored in a safe at a gun club. I don't think you're allowed to keep it at home. I'm sorry that's not true. I own several hand guns and keep them at home. A lot of locks and keeping the ammo in a separate lock box. Also should the authorities choose, they can preform a random inspection to insure compliance.

      The buyback looks like it is for AR-style weapons This will expand tp hand guns, then high caliber rifles, even ones used for hunting, Shotguns , .22s and finally all guns. That's the end game here. A total 100% ban on all guns.

      Overall I feel Canada already has great laws on guns. You need to attend courses for each level of gun you own. When I went to the long gun course there were people there who were clearly not capable of even the basics... Point guns at people with out even realizing it. (They were dummy guns but we still had to treat them as real) They failed automatically and were asked to leave.

      Additional laws will do nothing to stop the next mass shooting. People who are intent on committing an act like this will not be hindered by laws. To me it's political drum beating, its like adding second, third or even forth mask... Is it really doing anything or just signaling?

      [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Thanks for your considered reply. I just learned something from you and I appreciate that. I didn't know that we're allowed to have a handgun in the house. I did know that (licensed) gun owners in Canada have to prove competency in the use and storage of firearms. Am I right in assuming we're not allowed to keep a loaded handgun in the nightstand like they can do in the states? I'd assume the laws here take a much dimmer view on armed self defense than down south.

      I do agree with you that additional laws won't stop the next mass shooting. The guy in Nova Scotia used smuggled guns, and he was a psycho who spent a long time planning his rampage. My thought, however, is that strong gun laws keep the weapons restricted enough that it's discouraging for just anyone to come in off the street and buy a weapon. And therefore, someone who snaps will have a much harder time killing a lot of people.

      My question on handguns is; since we're not allowed to carry them in Canada, are they only really useable on a shooting range? Is it even legal to hunt with a handgun here?

      [–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Hey, sorry for the slow response. Very busy at work.

      Am I right in assuming we're not allowed to keep a loaded handgun in the nightstand

      Yup, they specifically talked about that in the course. They also ask if you plan to use your gun for self defense. Pro tip, don't say yes!

      The guy in Nova Scotia used smuggled guns, and he was a psycho who spent a long time planning his rampage. My thought, however, is that strong gun laws keep the weapons restricted enough that it's discouraging for just anyone to come in off the street and buy a weapon. And therefore, someone who snaps will have a much harder time killing a lot of people.

      The guy in Nova Scotia went above and beyond to avoid the laws that are in place. This is the very crux for my issue with more laws. People will find ways around them, mostly thought smuggled illegal weapons which is going to be very hard if not impossible to stop. The only people these new laws affect are law abiding citizen not criminals or people intent on causing harm. As for someone who snaps and wants to causes harm, they don't need a gun. As we saw in Toronto, they only need to rent a van!

      My question on handguns is; since we're not allowed to carry them in Canada, are they only really useable on a shooting range? Is it even legal to hunt with a handgun here?

      You can carry in Canada but you need a reason and permit. I think there is a Judge in Ontario that has a concealed carry permit after receiving treats from gang members. You can not hunt in Canada with a hand gun, that is illegal . The guns I own are family heirlooms. My .45 was carried by the grandfather when he stormed Juno Beach during WW2. My 9mm was from my father, he was a police officer for 5 years. I also have a .22 which my father used at a gun club at our local community center. They have a small indoor range and used to allow handguns back in the 80s. Now they only allow .22 rifles, no hand guns.

      I'll be pretty pissed if I have to turn them in. I keep them completely for sentimental reasons. They are locked in a safe and stored as per law. For most though shooting clubs and ranges are the main reason for them.

      [–]Cosmo3k 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Are you going to cut off your penis, if you have one, to prevent future rape?

      [–]PRESIDENTIALCOCK 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Canuck coping level 1000

      [–]Bigs 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Eeeewwww!

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Naturally the shills don't have a problem with it.

      [–]package 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Your country is one violent excuse away from being a dictatorship and it’s going to be a really difficult time getting yourselves out of it without weapons.

      [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Okay.

      The full list of all Canadian mass shootings, covering the years 1689 to the last one, 2020. Total: 23 incidents. Canadians killed: 385.

      The list of US mass shootings from January 1, 2022 to May 30, 2022. Total: 202 incidents. Americans killed: 221.

      Congratulations, your number of dead is lower! Viva gun culture!

      [–]chottohen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Can he do it unilaterally?

      [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      We have a parliamentary system, which is like your House of Representatives. But administratively the Prime Ministerial position is more akin to your House Lead, with some Speaker of the House thrown in, and a number of leadership responsibilities that are similar to your President. Our head of State is the Queen, but that's ceremonial, unlike your President. We have a Senate, but it has nowhere near the power your Senate has. Our parliament has 2 main parties, the Liberals & the Conservatives, and 3 other parties that can hold the balance of power in a minority government situation, which is what's in place now. The Liberals have the support of the NDP, which is our party of social democrats. Together they have a majority vote, and the NDP said they'll support this bill.

      [–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Don't Canada my Tennessee.