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[–]jet199 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

There's got to be more to this than they are saying.

This breaks all on set protocol I've seen.

You couldn't even call it an accident, it would be manslaughter.

No way should he be firing even a fake weapon at the crew.

No way should real bullets be used.

The police need to look again.

Sounds like a cover up.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

he has anger issues, he probably killed her out of anger, and are just trying to say it was an accident

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is my thoughts.

The DoP and director are going to be the number one targets for a actor's rage on set. It's very suspicious it was them who were shot, not the actor/s he was in a scene with.

But innocent until proven etc, etc.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah if it was an accident why was he pointing a gun at the cinematographer and the director who happened to be lined up so the bullet went thru one and into the other like JFK's magic bullet?

[–]Flicksener 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This was possibly intentional sabotage from one of the crew, or several crew members. It seems this was a troubled shoot and many of the crew were pissed at the higher ups for one reason or another, and film crews are notorious for doing stuff like this when they feel they've been mistreated. It's very possible a crew member intentionally put live rounds in these weapons with the hope something bad would happen, which it did, which would make this a crime, maybe even homicide.

I've been on sets and worked with crew myself in the past and honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. Crew work isn't glamorous, it's essentially glorified blue collar work; long hours, low pay (unless you're union), and often questionable treatment. You don't have to be educated or even a decent human being to get a job on a production; sometimes, it helps to be neither. You just need to know the right people. And many who work these jobs are less than savory types: people with criminal records, or who come from "rough" backgrounds.

It's always struck me as odd that so many wealthy and famous people working productions often depend on the labor of individuals who could easily have been released from prison for violent offenses only a few weeks prior to the job, or who otherwise come from backgrounds you'd likely never encounter in a more "corporate" type of environment. Well, this is what happens when the two mingle. Frankly, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It likely does, we just never hear about it unless it involves a death.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This was my thought but then it's saying these accidents were happening multiple times so it looks like the production knew live rounds were being used and were OK with it. And Baldwin is a producer so the buck stops with him.

Also if you knew some guns had live rounds in them previously then you would be extra careful when firing, not fire them into the crew against all safety training.

I have no idea why you'd want to use live rounds on set, the effect wouldn't have been any better. But that's what they were doing. With an actor like Baldwin on the set that's basically Russian roulette.

[–]Flicksener 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I don't know. I think it was sabotage. Baldwin was told the gun he was given was "cold," that is, it didn't have any live rounds in it. He's not responsible. He wasn't even playing with it apparently, he was simply pulling it out of its holster for a scene they were filming when it went off. If accounts are to be believed, it's either gross crew incompetence, like to a degree that will likely get someone thrown into jail, or it's deliberate sabotage.

Another thing I'm wondering is, the woman he killed was the head of the union on set or whatever; was she a "diversity" hire? DPs don't tend to be women. Is it possible she was hired because she was a woman first, and an experienced crew member second, thus her lack of experience leading the union crew, thus leading to the union crew walkout, thus resulting in this incident? I wonder, I wonder.