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[–]jet199 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

There's got to be more to this than they are saying.

This breaks all on set protocol I've seen.

You couldn't even call it an accident, it would be manslaughter.

No way should he be firing even a fake weapon at the crew.

No way should real bullets be used.

The police need to look again.

Sounds like a cover up.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

he has anger issues, he probably killed her out of anger, and are just trying to say it was an accident

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is my thoughts.

The DoP and director are going to be the number one targets for a actor's rage on set. It's very suspicious it was them who were shot, not the actor/s he was in a scene with.

But innocent until proven etc, etc.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah if it was an accident why was he pointing a gun at the cinematographer and the director who happened to be lined up so the bullet went thru one and into the other like JFK's magic bullet?

[–]Flicksener 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This was possibly intentional sabotage from one of the crew, or several crew members. It seems this was a troubled shoot and many of the crew were pissed at the higher ups for one reason or another, and film crews are notorious for doing stuff like this when they feel they've been mistreated. It's very possible a crew member intentionally put live rounds in these weapons with the hope something bad would happen, which it did, which would make this a crime, maybe even homicide.

I've been on sets and worked with crew myself in the past and honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. Crew work isn't glamorous, it's essentially glorified blue collar work; long hours, low pay (unless you're union), and often questionable treatment. You don't have to be educated or even a decent human being to get a job on a production; sometimes, it helps to be neither. You just need to know the right people. And many who work these jobs are less than savory types: people with criminal records, or who come from "rough" backgrounds.

It's always struck me as odd that so many wealthy and famous people working productions often depend on the labor of individuals who could easily have been released from prison for violent offenses only a few weeks prior to the job, or who otherwise come from backgrounds you'd likely never encounter in a more "corporate" type of environment. Well, this is what happens when the two mingle. Frankly, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It likely does, we just never hear about it unless it involves a death.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This was my thought but then it's saying these accidents were happening multiple times so it looks like the production knew live rounds were being used and were OK with it. And Baldwin is a producer so the buck stops with him.

Also if you knew some guns had live rounds in them previously then you would be extra careful when firing, not fire them into the crew against all safety training.

I have no idea why you'd want to use live rounds on set, the effect wouldn't have been any better. But that's what they were doing. With an actor like Baldwin on the set that's basically Russian roulette.

[–]Flicksener 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I don't know. I think it was sabotage. Baldwin was told the gun he was given was "cold," that is, it didn't have any live rounds in it. He's not responsible. He wasn't even playing with it apparently, he was simply pulling it out of its holster for a scene they were filming when it went off. If accounts are to be believed, it's either gross crew incompetence, like to a degree that will likely get someone thrown into jail, or it's deliberate sabotage.

Another thing I'm wondering is, the woman he killed was the head of the union on set or whatever; was she a "diversity" hire? DPs don't tend to be women. Is it possible she was hired because she was a woman first, and an experienced crew member second, thus her lack of experience leading the union crew, thus leading to the union crew walkout, thus resulting in this incident? I wonder, I wonder.

[–]Tophat123 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Surprise surprise, an anti gun leftist fuckwhit killed someone with a gun. Are they going to string him up like they did kyle or will they give him a slap ohn the wrist like they do all their cronies?

[–]RandumbZer0 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Baldwin is a toolbox, couldn't have happened to a more deserving asshole.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

he hung out with epstein, this may have been done to send a message to him not to talk

[–]Cronch 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Amazing all the damage control and PR spin on this story over on reddit. It's like the Left want him to run for President some day.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Andy Ngo is saying the story that it was an accident was put out by Baldwin's spokesperson, so it's suspected.

The story had changed from it being blanks fired to a live round.

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-alec-baldwin-issues-statement-gun-mishap?utm_campaign=64470

No way would they be giving out bullets on set.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Found the below information on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/qdmlkh/alec_baldwin_in_parking_lot_outside_santa_fe/hhnyv1i/


he was very loudly outspoken about how much he disproved of his filming company's decision to fire the union workers who walked out due to the impending IATSE strike, and hire a ton of scabs with zero set experience. The day after... this happened. the blame lies partly with him, but in my opinion it primarily lies with the production company who put everyone at risk.

the reason the crew walked out in the first place? the lack of safety on-set.

edit: sources are incoming, most are from the film crew directly on-set posting on their own social media. here's a twitter thread that is compiling sources atm.

edit 2: if you don't believe me and think I'm exaggerating, look at the @ia_stories instagram.

edit 3: I'm going to stop updating this thread and replying, more info is continually coming in and I can't update it every single time it does. Also I'm not defending baldwin, there'll always be guys like him, this is a systemic problem. Thanks

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

In a similar vein.

There's some very weird wording here though which I think means this is still coming from his team. "ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor." Ammunition doesn't just fly around if its own accord. Why write it that way unless you are trying to hid the fact there was a shooter.

I mean the other possible option which has come up in my mind is you have someone sneaking bullets into prop guns for the lulz, like you used to get people putting razorblades in baby food. And no one realised that was happening because they were too busy arguing over long hours, accommodation and having a power struggle.

I can't see how non-union staff, long hours or a long drive could make someone accidentally bring live ammunition to set with them and put it in prop guns multiple times but I can see how everyone thinking of themselves and how hard done by they are could blind them to actual real problems happening in front of them. I can see that them looking to use the gun accidents as leverage to get the conditions they wanted meant focus was then taken off why those accidents actually happened. Certainly they started happening before any non union crew were brought in.

[–]sproketboy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

SHOOT THEM ALL!

[–]Tarrock 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Trump curse

[–]humancorpse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

BTW, the one that "died", lol, isnt really dead dead dead.. she looked sorta dead but wasnt really really really dead dead dead ddead.. she is now recovering in a overpriced hospiatal semi private room.

never get killed dead dead dead.

unless you are a movie actor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDVdv6950m4

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Apparently while ranting about Trump, he discharged it at crewmembers...

Accident, or ritual initiation? You know how some gangs are like "you have to kill a guy to enter the gang"?

Could be a stupid accident too, but how does a blank hit 2 people, killing one?

[–]aaarrgh 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He's a darling of the left, nothing will happen.

[–]blackpoop321 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

why do you use the brainwashing verbiage of the msm? Correct title is as follows:

"Alex Baldwin kills crewmember with alleged 'prop-gun', also injuring another crewmember."

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Did he leave a nasty phone mail?

[–]PatsyStone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I thought it wasn't possible to fire prop guns anymore?

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It shouldn't be. There's strict training and protocol.

I mean even to hand a completely useless solid replica over to another crew member there's set lines you have to learn and say for the sake of safety.

All the actual gun shots can be done better with sfx and post.

It sounds like they were picking up random real old guns and letting the actors choose which to use. Probably because of the upper class left wing obsession with authenticity.