Academics called breastfeeding 'ethically problematic' because it endorses 'gender roles.' Their view is gaining traction. "We are concerned about breastfeeding promotion that praises breastfeeding as the ’natural’ way to feed infants."

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[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I don't think it's an incredible idea for women that aren't naturally lactating to do it either, but at least women have the basic prerequisites required.

Are you saying that exogenous hormone exposure along with whatever other hormone blockers are required to keep male test levels at bay are safe at levels excreted within breastmilk?

Men don't have the same physiology. They're not going to just have naturally risen levels of prolactin or any of the other shit that rolls out from each hormone center within the human body to just up and maintain it either.

Show me long-term scientific evidence from a published medical journal that shows the safety levels for an infant of transwomen breastfeeding despite all that, and we can talk about that whole emotion vs logic thing again.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

seems to me that playing with androgen blockers is a bit... selfish:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20547585/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/j.1939-4640.1992.tb00338.x

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016648097969628

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20547585/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0018506X81900283

there are no long term studies. In the case of the last one published, they didn't even bother to do a follow up on the baby, it was all about the 'transgernder' mum.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanking you kindly for coming up with the gold there. Bodies are just too complicated to be fooling around with all of that shit when you have a completely helpless baby that's going to feel the brute force of effects for just adult selfishness and desires.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

exactly. Surely a mum would recognise the risks and choose to self sacrifice to avoid them? these dick waving 'lesbians' though....

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Found these on my dig. Exogenous hormone exposure doesn't appear to be good things for breastmilk.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40748-016-0040-y

In the WHO Medical Eligibility Criteria for Contraceptive Use (MEC), Fifth Edition [23] estrogen-containing contraceptives (including combined oral contraceptives, the patch, and the vaginal ring) are considered to pose unacceptable health risks (Category 4) when used by breastfeeding women within the first 6 postpartum weeks. These methods are considered by the WHO to have theoretical or proven risks that usually outweigh their advantages (Category 3) until breastfeeding women are at least 6 months postpartum. In contrast, in the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Medical Eligibility Criteria for Contraceptive Use (CDC MEC), the advantages of using such estrogen-containing methods are stated to generally outweigh the theoretical or proven risks (Category 2) for women without complicating medical conditions starting 6 weeks after delivery [21] (Table 1).

https://www.nature.com/articles/7211251

[–]LesbianOutlaw 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Are you saying that exogenous hormone exposure along with whatever other hormone blockers are required to keep male test levels at bay are safe at levels excreted within breastmilk?

I should think so, yes. A biological male taking estrogen will have hormone levels similar to a biological female. Why would it be okay for a female to have estrogen excreted in breastmilk but not a male?

Show me long-term scientific evidence from a published medical journal that shows it is unsafe for an infant to consume milk produced by a male. You are the one making the claim that it is unsafe. The preponderance of evidence right now points to it being no less safe than a biological female’s milk. I’ve yet to see a logical claim as to how estrogen and domperidone present in a lactating male’s body is harmful for a baby but estrogen and domperidone present in a lactating female’s body is not. This indicates to me that the belief stems from an emotional reaction of “eww, that’s icky”

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because we're not excreting estrogen from an outside source, we're excreting everything that human biology evolved to allow us to (plus some prescriptions/anything exposed to that comes through the milk--I digress). Women can lose their fucking teeth and health from nutrient loss when breastfeeding, because our tits are set up as biological support units for the baby. Men don't share that physiological prerequisite. Our hormone levels also naturally ebb and flow with the menstrual cycle, which is why so many of us get absolutely reamed by foods/supplements/herbs that might increase or decrease any one of those levels. Biological men don't have that with taking exogenous hormones, why would they? They're not ovulating, right? So no need to adhere to the same way that we release our own.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

tell me. what are natural female estrogen levels? what is the form of that estrogen?

What are the levels of estrogen required for lactation in a male? What is the form of that estrogen? (most trannies use estradiol, which has a different pharmacodynamics to estrogen itself)

what about the progesterone? same quesitons. Is it horse-piss derived, is it the more persisten artificial kind?

what effect does that have, long term, on the baby?

Where is the collustrum

Show me long-term scientific evidence from a published medical journal that shows it is unsafe for an infant to consume milk produced by a male.

Of course our nuclear powered car is safe! show me your long term studies that proves this 5 year old experiment is not safe!

fucking trannies, all the same. you obviously don't care that much about your children, that you just went ahead and did it, without a fucking care for their own future gender identity. Are you really that selfish? You have a woman carrying the baby for you, why not let her feed the kid? The outcomes are unknown because bastshit people like you have only been enabled like this recently. You gambled with your child's health, for your own self-image.