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[–]useless_aether[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cher-appears-to-switch-sides-on-mass-immigration-questions-californias-inability-to-take-care-of-its-own

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

But what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

[–]indianusjones 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The implication (backed by evidence) is that an influx of population in L.A., a sanctuary city, will only exacerbate LA's poverty problem and burden on public services.

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Nevertheless, https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjU4tv5ltXhAhUFvJ4KHZevC3IQzPwBCAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.axios.com%2Fwhat-theyre-saying-mayors-sanctuary-cities-welcome-trumps-latest-immigration-idea-1829d5c7-6577-4644-8f40-bb582003da86.html&psig=AOvVaw2-TMvTjnN-TodVt3OYx6OE&ust=1555523557136146

[–]indianusjones 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Notice that these responses are from politicians with an observable agenda, that is, the Latino vote.

See my previous Gallup pole link above for what citizens think.

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It doesn't matter, the fact is that OP's meme is incorrect.

[–]indianusjones 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It doesn't matter, the fact is that OP's meme is incorrect.

But why is OP's meme incorrect? That's the point of this entire thread--you must justify your position.

If we're moving away now from the politician's response to the original post we're now in red herring argument fallacy territory because you've shifted the argument.

Are you now understanding why opponents on both sides of most debates get frustrated when people say, "it doesn't matter, (distraction here)" or say, "embryos are humans too" without providing evidence for that fact?!!?

Is your post a troll? Did I not point to evidence to the contrary?

How can you read through this entire thread and not know that you need supporting evidence for your claim? Stupid? Lazy? Please help me understand.

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But why is OP's meme incorrect?

OP's meme is not a friendly call for debate, it's an accusation of liberals being hypocrites. It's demonstrably wrong, it's pathetic, end of story.

[–]indianusjones 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

it's pathetic, end of story

Oh, no, we don't get off that easy.

OP's meme is not a friendly call for debate, it's an accusation of liberals being hypocrites.

Again, we didn't offer evidence for this claim...we could easily verify whether or not you are correct by simply asking the author.

Let's say for the sake of discussion you're right. Yes, under this premise, the meme is not friendly and yes, it's an accusation of liberals being hypocrites.

But that doesn't mean he's wrong.

It's conjecture here that if we flat-out asked liberals whether or not they welcome more immagrants in their city they would likely say, "yes."

But if we asked them in a poll about topics we know are a direct result of immigration (remember, we had mass immigration in the 1880's, the 1920's, and since the 1970's), we're going to find they don't want the fallout from an influx of immigration.

So, ideologically the liberals want immigration but ideology doesn't put food on the table.

Again, I ask the next time you post that you provide facts to support and don't give me this bullshit:

it's pathetic, end of story

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're trying to move the goal posts. This post is not about the nuances of the immigration debate, its about an idiotic meme which the link I posted above handily proves to be false.

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just because a city takes immigrants doesn't mean the state itself must provide aid, although aid would certainly be nice if it was able to provide it.

[–]indianusjones 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not necessarily. Most health departments, for example, state clearly that services must be provided for all inhabitants of that State. The reason for this is to prevent the spread of disease.

Edit: here's California's Health Directive:

CDPH's key activities and services include protecting people in California from the threat of preventable infectious diseases like Zika virus, HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and viral hepatitis, and providing reliable and accurate public health laboratory services and information about health threats.

Other critical services include providing nutritional support to low-income women, infants and children, and screening newborns and pregnant women for genetic diseases.

...and so on.

Of course, whenever an illegal commits a crime, well, there's the whole police thing.

These examples are only just for starters.