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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The studies on transition regret don't include detransitioners because they ask for people who currently identify as trans, which detransitioners don't.

So if I find a paper looking at transition regret that includes detransitioners, will you accept that you're mistaken about that and change your position?

Puberty blockers stunt brain growth to the extent that they have been linked to drops in IQ points and immature, childish behaviour that these trans kids don't grow out of.

I haven't read a paper that links puberty blockers to drop in IQ nor "childish behaviours". Can you link me to one?

I found one that finds the opposite:

The association between IQ pre-treatment and educational achievement post-treatment in transgender adolescents who received gender-affirming medical treatment including puberty suppression appears to be similar to the general population. This may reflect that gender-affirming medical treatment including puberty suppression does not negatively affect the association between IQ and educational achievement. - Association between pre-treatment IQ and educational achievement after gender-affirming treatment including puberty suppression in transgender adolescents, Arnoldussen et al. Clinical Child Psychology and Psychiatry (2022)

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I haven't read a paper that links puberty blockers to drop in IQ nor "childish behaviours". Can you link me to one?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks.

I note that the first paper didn't have a control group, and the second paper didn't achieve statistical significance.

And both papers were looking at treating precocious puberty, so would be younger and therefore earlier in their mental development than in the 2022 paper that I linked that failed to find a difference, did have a control group (unlike Mul et al (2001), and had a much larger sample size than Wojniusz et. al. (2016).)

So it's interesting, but I think at this stage for the delaying of puberty to prepare for gender-affirming treatment, the evidence from the paper I linked to is better.

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Fair criticism, it does make sense that the effect on IQ is stronger when the drug is taken earlier. But IQ is not the only problem with delaying puberty.

Significant decline in bone mass and density:

The effects are also irreversible in general:

My point about the fact that it gives males a micropenis which makes SRS extremely difficult, so if they want to go that route, they're making it harder for themselves as the only option at that point is to use a piece of the colon, is also important to consider.

Plenty of trans people wait until they're of age, and in my opinion, actually mentally capable of making a life-changing decision like this (children are not capable of understanding the long-term consequences, including infertility), and they still pass perfectly. My mind goes to Blaire White and Nikita Dragun. Gigi Gorgeous also looks great, but I think a little heavy-handed on the plastic surgery. Buck Angel as well for FtMs (I can't think of very many famous FtMs right now).

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The effects are also irreversible in general:

That paper only has one subject that didn't go on to take cross-sex hormones. Did you link to the wrong paper?

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Show us your mutilated genitals, or shut the fuck up.