Socialism vs Capitalism

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First off Socialims is Communism Lite. They both make the exact same claim: that the poor will be made wealthier by giving more power to the government and trusting that the government will give them back more benefits in return. Communism simply claims that you need to give the government more power than the amount claimed by Socialism. So when socialism fails the next step is to hand over more power to the government and go into full blown communism. Socialism is just a stepping stone.

That just means the real number is much higher,

That doesn't make one ounce of sense.

they weren't able to access enough nutrients

This is an absolutely baseless claim. People who eat junk food could spend less on healthy food, the problem is they would have to know what is healthy food and have some ability to cook. The real problem here is stupidity not income.

Yet not enough to buy food. My point still stands.

Your point is a lie

And don't try to claim... Another stawman

You clearly don't understand what a strawman is.

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Socialims is Communism Lite.

Yes.

They both make the exact same claim: that the poor will be made wealthier by giving more power to the government and trusting that the government will give them back more benefits in return.

I can agree with that.

That doesn't make one ounce of sense.

Yet you don't refute the actual point. If they count food insecure as "getting government benefits" and the government doesn't give benefits to everyone who needs them: the amount of people who are actually food insecure must be higher than those counted as such.

People who eat junk food could spend less on healthy food

I have yet to see healthy food sold at a lower price than junk food. Perhaps that's true in Yankeedom, but not where I live.

they would have to know what is healthy food

Another problem with Capitalism: businesses are incentivized to lie about what they sell, so they need to be forced to label their products.

some ability to cook.

Food that you cook on an actual stove tends to be of a much higher price than microwaved food, and especially junk food — again: perhaps it's different in Yankeedom, but not where I live.

Your point is a lie

Yet you refuse to give a counter-point.

You clearly don't understand what a strawman is.

You clearly don't, because you're the one arguing against things I didn't say, and then pretending like I was saying them — that's what a strawman is. You do this because you've realized you can't actually refute any of my points.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yet you don't refute the actual point...

Yes I did. Your claim that "food insecure" means they can't afford to eat heathy is a lie because "food insecure" means nothing of value. It is such a broad term that everyone falls into it. It means nothing. It does not mean that those people can't afford to eat healthy. You can have the healthiest diet in the world and still be considered food insecure by that definition. Therefore the claim that lack of money is causing people to have poor diets in capitalist societies, and this data about food insecurity proves it, is wrong.

I have yet to see healthy food sold at a lower price than junk food

Compare the price of Lays potato chips to the price of potatoes. The potatoes cost less. Everywhere. You are wrong, and have never actually looked, or have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Compare the price of Lays potato chips to the price of potatoes. The potatoes cost less.

Canbot's got a point there TheAmeliaMay. I can buy anything here in rural Oz cheaper if it's natural. Even meat! A kilo of steak is on average around $20 and a 400g can of crappy braised steak and onion is $4.50. I can assure you there is not even 200g of meat in that can, and what is meat certainly isn't all steak. It's mostly water in there mixed with an emulsifier.