Does Communism support free speech?

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

First off this is the structure of your argument: Humans have abilities that animals don't, this means that humans are "insert disproved, illogical claim". And I can prove that humans have abilities that animals don't therefore I have proven "illogical claim". This is a fallacy. The existence of human nature is proven. That humans have abilities beyond that of animals does not disprove that. It is absurd that you keep talking about how humans are different as if that proves your incorrect argument that humans don't have a genetically programmed nature. It is you who doesn't understand how the world works. You can't even grasp how your arguments are illogical.

Second, you are confusing specific actions with natural tendencies. For example traditions, memes, culture, etc are not human nature, and they are not a replacement or substitution for human nature. No amount of examples of those things supports your claim. All those things exist along side human nature.

Third, the nature of human nature is not fully understood; that absolutely does not mean there is doubt that it exists. The existence of human nature has been proven far beyond any doubt. Twins separated at birth, and sent to drastically different environments have shown stunning similarity to each other which were stunningly different than their adoptive families. There is a mountain of studies you can explore which looked at nature vs nurture. The way you have thrown out nature without a single logical argument is the epitome of stupidity. And unfortunately that stupidity has taken over academia and media by way of ideological dogma. Your claims are not born of the arguments you make, but are constructed to support the leftist claim that we are all identical and all differences are social constructs. Those "arguments" are manufactured after the fact to support a bullshit ideological claim. And you have at best been brainwashed to not only believe them, but to instinctively reject any logic that disproves them.

[–]joogabah 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think you're listening to what I'm saying. I think you're defending your ideology, which is motivated by anti-leftism. The nature of humans is to be programmable. We are not ruled by instinct like animals. Usually right wingers argue for free will. I'm surprised you seem to argue for genetic determinism in human behavior.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most birds can fly. Yet the statement "all birds can fly" is wrong. Genetic determinism is wrong in the same way. Human nature is not all powerful. Genetic determinism, if it claims that genes are the only factor, is wrong in that claim alone. Genes are far more powerful than language. We don't fully understand how or why, but if you look at separated twins studies with anything but a completely jaded and predetermined conclusion you will be shocked by how powerful genes are.

There is nothing in my argument that has anything to do with leftism. You just don't have a valid rebuttal so you are turning to ad hominem attacks.

Free will can overcome genes, but only when you use it. A fat person can lose weight and be fit their whole life, even though they have genes that strongly push them to be fat (low testosterone, over active thyroid, low Conscientiousness). But most people don't. So when you measure which is more "powerful" by which determines outcomes for most people the answer is genes.

I responded directly to what you said. It is you who is not listening. It is you who doesn't seem to understand that you are wrong even though I explain exactly why you are wrong.

[–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

we are rules by instinct, what are you talking about. We all have the instinct to survive, most to breed, etc etc. Just because we allude ourselves into thinking there is some greater mechanism behind it doesnt make it true. Everything we do is based on instinct. Also plenty of different animals have language. Not speaking language like ourselves but perfectly fine language for themselves. Bees use chemicals and body movement, mammals use sounds and body language, etc. We arent different from any other mammal. Our brains are larger but it pretty much stops there.